Advertising has ruined the art of photography and videography

So you see a short video of people rock climbing in the mountains. It's not about the people. It's not about their story. It's not about the mountains. It's not about natures beauty. All that is used to ADVERTISE a medication supposedly allowing them to do that.

You see a nice photo of a smiling couple walking along a sunset beach. It's not about the couple. It's not about the beach. It's not about the sunset. It's not even about vacation or a love story. It's about an ED drug like Viagra.

I hate stock photography sites because I know that all those skilled photos are going to be turned into some corporate ad that has nothing to do with the photo at all. Maybe a nice teddy bear photo will be an anti-abortion political ad or something. Maybe an awesome cowboy image will be an advertisement about cigarettes.

Let's face it. Advertising has RUINED photography AND videography. They can't and they won't advertise their products based on the MERITS of their own products. They always try to fool us with "lifestyle" photos and video about how our lives improve with their product. And that means using attract photos and videos taken by skilled photographers and videographers and artists to suggest that their beauty and appeal is somehow related to the commercial product.

So what is the consequence of this? I mean who suffers? The art of photography and videography suffer. How? Well, it means no matter how attractive the work, if it's on shutterstock or looks even remotely like that, IT LOOKS LIKE AN ADVERTISEMENT.

That means the art can no longer stand on its own. Is this a cute little girl sleeping with a nightlight or an advertisement for cough syrup? Is this a cheetah running in the wild, or an advertisement for a new vehicle?

We've lost. Art has taken a major blow imo for allowing this.

Plush Photo

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(Do you know how HARD it's been trying to move my work AWAY from commercial product photography and TOWARDS original artwork??? It isn't easy.)

I used to specialize in Marketing. Advertising was my thing.

Today it disgusts me, having seen the light I now real eyes it is nothing more than mental manipulation to try and make one part with their money, regardless of whether they can afford it or not, tempting them to buy something they probably don't even need.

Today I myself fall victim to marketing, even a shop window display can lure me in and have me offload my credit card on impulse.

It's an evil industry. Pure DECEPTION.
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EE-TV said:

I used to specialize in Marketing. Advertising was my thing.

Today it disgusts me, having seen the light I now real eyes it is nothing more than mental manipulation to try and make one part with their money, regardless of whether they can afford it or not, tempting them to buy something they probably don't even need.

Today I myself fall victim to marketing, even a shop window display can lure me in and have me offload my credit card on impulse.

It's an evil industry. Pure DECEPTION.
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Sad but that doesn't surprise me. If you can work in an industry, know all their tricks, and still fall for them as a consumer, it just goes to show you the power their working with.

Plush Photo

Plush Photo said:

EE-TV said:

I used to specialize in Marketing. Advertising was my thing.

Today it disgusts me, having seen the light I now real eyes it is nothing more than mental manipulation to try and make one part with their money, regardless of whether they can afford it or not, tempting them to buy something they probably don't even need.

Today I myself fall victim to marketing, even a shop window display can lure me in and have me offload my credit card on impulse.

It's an evil industry. Pure DECEPTION.
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Sad but that doesn't surprise me. If you can work in an industry, know all their tricks, and still fall for them as a consumer, it just goes to show you the power their working with.

Plush Photo

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It is powerful. Today the "magic spell" is used in all forums and aspects: At the supermarket not only do they display 2 or more products next to each other, for example Milk - where one is listed in Pints, the other in Liters, and their pricing lists "Cost per Gram", yet the product is in Oz (Ounces) - Pure Fruit Juice, say Orange Juice, but one says "No Added Sugar"... huh? But the Pure one also has no added Sugar... ah yes but the "unpure" one has added Artificial Sweeteners - Saccharin, Phenylalanine and Aspartame (All detrimental to one's health so they use the "Sugar makes you obese" BS... no it doesn't, it can rot your teeth though, so why lie and say something else, just tell it like it is, "Sugar rots Teeth" - Back to the supermarket, they play distracting music in the background so it's extra complicated to focus on these products to decide what's the better deal. It's also "upbeat" so it tries to make you feel happy... to the unsuspecting it works. Me, aware of these tricks gives me a feeling of frustration.

This doesn't even describe the Packaging! I always look to the Jim Carrey movies Yes Man and Liar Liar was it called?

TRUTH > Lies

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I couldn't disagree more.

Some advertising is deceptive. Some is not.

I have never bought something I didn't want because of an ad.

Art has always been subsidized by other industries, religion, or political interests. Prior to the tremendous wealth technology has brought us, there was no "art for art's sake". Without sponsorship, all of the classic masters would have had to get jobs.

Sure, with the advancement of technology, business, religious, and political interests are using the latest and greatest art technology to promote whatever it is they want to say. They have made us into such a rich society, that ordinary people can buy art. That enables many many artists to create art without sponsorship, something Michael Angelo and Rembrandt could never have done.

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Ed Rizk

EE-TV said:

Plush Photo said:

EE-TV said:

I used to specialize in Marketing. Advertising was my thing.

Today it disgusts me, having seen the light I now real eyes it is nothing more than mental manipulation to try and make one part with their money, regardless of whether they can afford it or not, tempting them to buy something they probably don't even need.

Today I myself fall victim to marketing, even a shop window display can lure me in and have me offload my credit card on impulse.

It's an evil industry. Pure DECEPTION.
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Sad but that doesn't surprise me. If you can work in an industry, know all their tricks, and still fall for them as a consumer, it just goes to show you the power their working with.

Plush Photo

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It is powerful. Today the "magic spell" is used in all forums and aspects: At the supermarket not only do they display 2 or more products next to each other, for example Milk - where one is listed in Pints, the other in Liters, and their pricing lists "Cost per Gram", yet the product is in Oz (Ounces) - Pure Fruit Juice, say Orange Juice, but one says "No Added Sugar"... huh? But the Pure one also has no added Sugar... ah yes but the "unpure" one has added Artificial Sweeteners - Saccharin, Phenylalanine and Aspartame (All detrimental to one's health so they use the "Sugar makes you obese" BS... no it doesn't, it can rot your teeth though, so why lie and say something else, just tell it like it is, "Sugar rots Teeth" - Back to the supermarket, they play distracting music in the background so it's extra complicated to focus on these products to decide what's the better deal. It's also "upbeat" so it tries to make you feel happy... to the unsuspecting it works. Me, aware of these tricks gives me a feeling of frustration.

This doesn't even describe the Packaging! I always look to the Jim Carrey movies Yes Man and Liar Liar was it called?

TRUTH > Lies

Exposing what is... Bringing. To. Light
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Wow, I didn't even think about the supermarket, but you're right! They're always playing upbeat music in there. Always! I thought it was to keep the workers happy working, but I guess it's far more sinister than that. Also the packaging, I knew they used warm colors to entice the consumer (like reds and yellows) but you're right the whole "No sugar added" and such is new. Also "No High Fructose Corn Syrup" which I guess was in everything until now.

I might just see those Jim Carrey movies now (I hadn't but I think I will)

Plush Photo

Advertisements are woven into the fabric of our capitalist society. The wise person understands the vast majority of ads are misleading or have little to do with the merits of the product. The wise person comprehends that ads are designed to part one from one's money. I am always amazed by those who allow TV political ads influence how they vote. I guess such is easier than making an effort to educate oneself on political candidates, initiatives and referendums. When I view TV political ads I always ask myself who is paying for this ad and why?

Oh boy.

Advertising/marketing hasn't changed since its inception and its as old as man itself. Imagery has been a foundation of this the entire time.

And how has it ruined the art of photography? If anything the commercialization of art in general has a bigger impact on creativity. Marketing and advertising is just a small part of that.

You take a picture and just because someone buys that image and then uses the message within that image to promote a product or service doesn't ruin photography as an art form.

Actually, I would argue that it has enhanced photography as an art form because it gives people more opportunities to produce their art. If an artist abandons creativity for commercialization of his work than that is on them but reality is, many use the money to provide themselves with security so that they can take risks with their other work.

Truly experimental/creative photography is rarely consumed commercially and we live in an age of unprecedented creative expression through photography thanks to smartphones.

OP seems to just be cynical about marketing and advertising and in wanting to hear his complaints heard, he/she is linking it to a relatable topic for discussion on this site.

Plush Photo said:

I knew they used warm colors to entice the consumer (like reds and yellows)...

Plush Photo

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Haha I learned this in The Psychology of Advertising in University ... McDonald's use Red because apparently it makes you feel hungry and Yellow because it makes you feel happy. Apparently of course. But that's why!
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EE-TV said:

Plush Photo said:

I knew they used warm colors to entice the consumer (like reds and yellows)...

Plush Photo

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Haha I learned this in The Psychology of Advertising in University ... McDonald's use Red because apparently it makes you feel hungry and Yellow because it makes you feel happy. Apparently of course. But that's why!
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Check out the movie Falling Down with Michael Douglas. He is in a Fast Food Joint, and yes it is Red and Yellow, guess what happens when his 'Breakfast' he ordered doesn't look exactly like the Photo of it they had up on display - 4 minute mark right here: - do you blame him? Granted, he was having a "bad day", but False Advertising, sure we can all relate?

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The victim of circumstance pens yet another dirge...

Etymology of 'Advertising'?

Could it be, let's see, if we break it down...

Advertising. Advertise. Advert. Ad. Vert.

Adversary of Verity, perhaps? It is right there after all, in plain sight. Has been all along. To advertise. To oppose the Truth.
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EE-TV said:

EE-TV said:

Plush Photo said:

I knew they used warm colors to entice the consumer (like reds and yellows)...

Plush Photo

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Haha I learned this in The Psychology of Advertising in University ... McDonald's use Red because apparently it makes you feel hungry and Yellow because it makes you feel happy. Apparently of course. But that's why!
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Check out the movie Falling Down with Michael Douglas. He is in a Fast Food Joint, and yes it is Red and Yellow, guess what happens when his 'Breakfast' he ordered doesn't look exactly like the Photo of it they had up on display - 4 minute mark right here:

- do you blame him? Granted, he was having a "bad day", but False Advertising, sure we can all relate?

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That movie is actually about the idea of the marginalization of the aging white male in western society. Male baby boomers ate it up.

When I first watched it a couple of years ago I had to chuckle at how single minded, ignorant and confusing the film is with its message.

EE-TV said:

Etymology of 'Advertising'?

Could it be, let's see, if we break it down...

Advertising. Advertise. Advert. Ad. Vert.

Adversary of Verity, perhaps? It is right there after all, in plain sight. Has been all along. To advertise. To oppose the Truth.
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Proof positive that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!





There is help available for apophenia.

EE-TV said:

EE-TV said:

Plush Photo said:

I knew they used warm colors to entice the consumer (like reds and yellows)...

Plush Photo

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Haha I learned this in The Psychology of Advertising in University ... McDonald's use Red because apparently it makes you feel hungry and Yellow because it makes you feel happy. Apparently of course. But that's why!
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Bringing to light, Exposing what is
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Click to expand...

Check out the movie Falling Down with Michael Douglas. He is in a Fast Food Joint, and yes it is Red and Yellow, guess what happens when his 'Breakfast' he ordered doesn't look exactly like the Photo of it they had up on display - 4 minute mark right here:

- do you blame him? Granted, he was having a "bad day", but False Advertising, sure we can all relate?

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Lol!

I actually saw a big mac commercial on youtube redone with a REAL big mac, and wow the difference was incredible! It was just like the video you posted. It looked really unappealing compared to the commercials they show us daily.

Ed Rizk said:

I have never bought something I didn't want because of an ad.

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It’s hard to buy some5hing you don’t want when advertising made you want it!

Ed Rizk said:

I couldn't disagree more.

Some advertising is deceptive. Some is not.

I have never bought something I didn't want because of an ad.

Art has always been subsidized by other industries, religion, or political interests. Prior to the tremendous wealth technology has brought us, there was no "art for art's sake". Without sponsorship, all of the classic masters would have had to get jobs.

Sure, with the advancement of technology, business, religious, and political interests are using the latest and greatest art technology to promote whatever it is they want to say. They have made us into such a rich society, that ordinary people can buy art. That enables many many artists to create art without sponsorship, something Michael Angelo and Rembrandt could never have done.

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I don't want to get into the art history of things. But there has always been art for arts sake, even if it was just folk art (which might be looked down upon by high end artists)

I might not have made people incredibly rich, but it was always there. The point is I want art. I don't want a commercial. I hate when political campaigns and commercials use music from artists like Stevie Wonder or the like to promote their campaigns. I believe there should be a separation.

For the politicians, campaign on what you stand for then DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO and there shouldn't be a problem.

For the companies, just promote your product. Don't try to trick me into buying it. I hate that. Just promote your product, and if it's worth the $ you said it's worth, then I should see that based on the merits of the camera.

Art is and has always been strong enough to stand on its own. That's why they have art museums. Not all of it was commissioned. Not all of it was propaganda. Some artists were trying to make a point, like Courbet.

Plush Photo

thenoilif said:

Oh boy.

Advertising/marketing hasn't changed since its inception and its as old as man itself. Imagery has been a foundation of this the entire time.

And how has it ruined the art of photography? If anything the commercialization of art in general has a bigger impact on creativity. Marketing and advertising is just a small part of that.

You take a picture and just because someone buys that image and then uses the message within that image to promote a product or service doesn't ruin photography as an art form.

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Yes it does! I don't want my images used for commercial or political reasons. That dilutes the merit of the art to simply supporting a corporate or political campaign. I didn't produce the art for that.

I didn't pursue an art degree to help promote someone else's product. Art should stand on its own merit. That's important for the culture of a society to flourish.

thenoilif said:

Actually, I would argue that it has enhanced photography as an art form because it gives people more opportunities to produce their art. If an artist abandons creativity for commercialization of his work than that is on them but reality is, many use the money to provide themselves with security so that they can take risks with their other work.

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So it's all about the income? What if the government funded more art? Like I heard the government funds anime in Japan for cultural reasons?

thenoilif said:

Truly experimental/creative photography is rarely consumed commercially and we live in an age of unprecedented creative expression through photography thanks to smartphones.

OP seems to just be cynical about marketing and advertising and in wanting to hear his complaints heard, he/she is linking it to a relatable topic for discussion on this site.

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I'm just calling it how I see it.

Ad infinitum said:

EE-TV said:

Etymology of 'Advertising'?

Could it be, let's see, if we break it down...

Advertising. Advertise. Advert. Ad. Vert.

Adversary of Verity, perhaps? It is right there after all, in plain sight. Has been all along. To advertise. To oppose the Truth.
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Proof positive that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!

There is help available for apophenia.

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Double speak, "bending the truth"?:

aduersere, from Anglo-French adverser (13c.), Old French adversarie (12c., Modern French adversaire) "hostile opponent, enemy," or directly from Latin adversarius "an opponent, rival, enemy," noun use of adjective meaning "opposite, hostile, contrary," literally "turned toward one," from adversus "turned against, turned toward, fronting, facing," figuratively "hostile, adverse, unfavorable," past participle of advertere "to turn toward," from ad "to" (see ad-) + vertere "to turn, turn back, be turned; convert, transform, translate; be changed" (see versus). The Latin word is glossed in Old English by wiðerbroca.


adverse (adj.)

late 14c., "contrary, opposing," from Old French advers, earlier avers (13c., Modern French adverse) "antagonistic, unfriendly, contrary, foreign" (as in gent avers "infidel race"), from Latin adversus"turned against, turned toward, fronting, facing," figuratively "hostile, adverse, unfavorable," past participle of advertere "to turn toward," from ad "to" (see ad-) + vertere "to turn, turn back; be turned; convert, transform, translate; be changed" (from PIE root *wer- (2) "to turn, bend"). For distinction of use, see averse Related: Adversely.


verse (n.)

late Old English (replacing Old English fers, an early West Germanic borrowing directly from Latin), "line or section of a psalm or canticle," later "line of poetry" (late 14c.), from Anglo-French and Old French vers "line of verse; rhyme, song," from Latin versus "a line, row, line of verse, line of writing," from PIE root *wer- (2) "to turn, bend." The metaphor is of plowing, of "turning" from one line to another (vertere = "to turn") as a plowman does.


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Plush Photo said:

thenoilif said:

Oh boy.

Advertising/marketing hasn't changed since its inception and its as old as man itself. Imagery has been a foundation of this the entire time.

And how has it ruined the art of photography? If anything the commercialization of art in general has a bigger impact on creativity. Marketing and advertising is just a small part of that.

You take a picture and just because someone buys that image and then uses the message within that image to promote a product or service doesn't ruin photography as an art form.

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Yes it does! I don't want my images used for commercial or political reasons. That dilutes the merit of the art to simply supporting a corporate or political campaign. I didn't produce the art for that.

I didn't pursue an art degree to help promote someone else's product. Art should stand on its own merit. That's important for the culture of a society to flourish.

Plush Photo said:

Actually, I would argue that it has enhanced photography as an art form because it gives people more opportunities to produce their art. If an artist abandons creativity for commercialization of his work than that is on them but reality is, many use the money to provide themselves with security so that they can take risks with their other work.

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So it's all about the income? What if the government funded more art? Like I heard the government funds anime in Japan for cultural reasons?

Plush Photo said:

Truly experimental/creative photography is rarely consumed commercially and we live in an age of unprecedented creative expression through photography thanks to smartphones.

OP seems to just be cynical about marketing and advertising and in wanting to hear his complaints heard, he/she is linking it to a relatable topic for discussion on this site.

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I'm just calling it how I see it.

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The difference between my brother and I. Today. Both being Majored in Graphic Design.

He works for a company that sells Flowers. He takes Photos. Pre-arranged. In a makeshift Studio. Of Flowers. Dead ones of course, as in a Bouquet. But the Photos of Flowers do look pretty. Even if killed. I mean "cut". "Picked".

Today I do likewise. Only my Photos are in Nature. In the Wild. Of Flowers. In their Natural Habitat. Alive. Still growing. Blooming. Blossoming.

The difference? Oh, he gets paid for doing that. I don't get paid a dime. Mine are from the Heart. Be cause I appreciate the Beauty. Of Nature. Without a "need" to kill it. And sell it. For money. In the form of Advertising and product itself.

Oh and the other difference between the Photography techniques too of course. The difference between pre-arranged and spontaneity.
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