Scott Milso wrote:
huyvnphan wrote:
Sharp? Yes
But sorry I don’t want to spend $450 on a no IS prime lens.
You do yourself a great disservice by turning down a lens just because it has no Image Stabilizer. It makes some sense with longer focal lengths and smaller sensors but NOT when you're dealing with a 32mm lens at f/1.4 on an APS-C sensor. Some of my finest shots have come from various non-IS lenses. I paid AUD $2800 for my 85mm f/1.2L lens and about AUD $2,500 for the f/1.2L 50mm lens. I'm pretty sure I paid about AUD $2400 for the 24mm f/1.4L lens. I don't often shoot in virtual darkness handheld although I have two examples below.
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When the new 85mm f/1.4L lens was released recently, critics were quick to note that there was no obvious advantage in the slower aperture with the addition of a new Image Stabilizer. Especially since there was no improvement with CA on this very expensive new lens (which retails here now for over $2,000+).
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EOS 6D + EF 85mm f/1.2L USM II lens - Taken at 1/160 second with plenty of shutter speed to spare. No Image Stabilizer required. The advantage of a Full Frame sensor and a fast f/1.2 lens made easy work of this shot on my wife heading home after dinner alongside a beach at night. The illumination comes from street lights across the road. This was taken at ISO 1600 - with plenty of ISO to spare as well. Image Stabilization was entirely unnecessary.
EOS M + EF-M 22mm f/2 STM lens - Taken on a street at night. No IS needed.* ISO 1600 | 22mm | 1/100 sec | f/2
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Either give us an IBIS body or lenses with IS Canon.
Canon states IBIS is inferior because it affects exposure, color and image quality. Faster glass is literally better. You can't tell a person, animal or vehicle to sit still while your image stabilizer compensates for a lack of light. You'll get a blurred subject if it's moving. The iPhone, even with its OIS on recent models, suffers horrendously from this issue.
Even my $500 iPhone has OIS in it
You've either bought an Apple 6S+ or something more recent. The 8 has a good camera. The X is meant to be even better but we now know that's not entirely true. If you want something that comes CLOSE to what a modern DSLR or Mirrorless camera can do, you really need to look at a much more expensive model. And even then, low-light performance is still a serious problem. Apple compensates by applying very destructive noise-reduction and faking the shallow DOF effect using an algorithm that is too stupid to evaluate many scenes (see examples below). You'll need to use the HDR settings to come closer to the results of a decent APS-C camera+lens combo and if you do, you're then approaching the realm of artistic expression instead of scenic reproduction. Apple couldn't even offer OIS on the iPhone 6S although they did offer it on the much larger and more expensive 6S+ model that was released at the same time. I'm sorry but they don't really make shirt pockets that fit that larger size of phone... so I bought the 6S instead. As recent as August 22, 2018, websites were still comparing the iPhone 6 model with point-and-shoot cameras. You can see the difference and comparisons they used for entertainment purposes right HERE: https://wjla.com/features/7-on-your-side/7oys-point-and-shoot-vs-cell-phone-cameras
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I don't like the iPhone performance in lowlight and that also applies to the most recent models. There are better alternatives available (eg Google's PIXEL).
At f/1.4 you can probably hand hold it with better results than your stabalized iPhone .
With the focal length of this lens, 1/60 sec is perhaps the safe 'average' speed for handholding but 1/40 is simple if you have steady hands - although my personal safe speed with this lens is 1/80 since sometimes shake the camera when taking multi-shots. With the 85mm f/1.2L (even on a FF DSLR) I need to use a minimum shutter speed of 1/100 sec to be sure since movement becomes much more pronounced at 85mm. The amazing Image Stabilization on the more expensive White L-series lenses
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Apple claims it has the BEST phone-camera on the market today. But has anyone heard of the new iPhone XS problem called "Beautygate"? Here you go... it's rendering people's faces as though they're wearing foundation and blurring the texture of the skin to hide pores and imperfections. https://www.cultofmac.com/579942/beautygate-iphone-xs-selfies/ Apples is looking into fixing this... presumably with an update. it's essentially a super-aggressive noise-reduction setting but it can't be altered, turned off or reduced. It's horrible. It also increases the color of the face and alters the exposure method. Why can't this be turned off?
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And the high ISO capability of the modern aps sensor you don't need IS with a 32mm f/1.4
I tend to agree. Let's take a look at the difference between my relatively modern iPhone6S camera (which was hailed as a 'Camera-Killer' and "... one of the best digital cameras on a mobile cell-phone available..." at the time of release. Sure, the iPhone7 wasn't an improvement but the 8 is. Now there's the X model... but an iPhone XS Max with 256GB of memory is AUD $2,369.00 (AUD 2,199 for the R model). You're going to pay through the nose for the privilege of using a modern phone-camera with all sorts of problems such as "Ghost Touch" and having to unlock your "camera" with your face. If you want to find a way, you might even find a 3rd party tool for fitting some kind of Circular Polarizer to your iPhone XS. But it takes a better picture and it's only now on sale from Apple seller. Since Apple releases a new model every year (sometimes two!) your device will be redundant the moment you buy it. I bought my iPhone to use as a phone. In daylight it takes a decent picture. But until I see better cameras I'm not interested in "upgrading". The new X models are still no match for a modern mirrorless camera, even one with APS-C.
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iPhone Cameras are slowly improving
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I just took the pictures below of my cat Zima while responding to these thread comments. I want to you pay attention to the difference in performance from the both cameras. Neither lens nor iPhone camera has Optical Image Stabilization. The iPhone cranks up the ISO to allow the camera to perform in lowlight conditions and the details are terribly smeared as a result. The colors suffer under artificial lighting as well. So I tried taking a picture with the light ON and then took several more with the light OFF before taking a shot with the EOS M6 and the 32mm f/1.4 STM lens.
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iPhone - Be sure to look closer at this image. Observe the lack of detail and smeared image structure plus coarse noise.
Here's a comparison I made just now.. Apart from resizing, no editing at all was performed. The iPhone was a awful in low light....
* It didn't focus and Shot 1 is completely out of focus. Even with the light ON.
* It couldn't focus quickly enough. Subject moved during focus adjustment.
* The subject moved during the 2nd exposure
* The colors were awful and did not represent the actual colors.
EOS M6 + EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM lens. No Flash, handheld JPEG with no light on in the room.The only illumination in the room was from my television.This image has now been tweaked for exposure and noise before resizing.
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Handheld JPEG taken at - f/1.4 | 1/40 sec | ISO 2500
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Lack of image stabilization is normal on most of Canon's faster lenses. That's because it's not really necessary. I took the shot of my Cat at 1/40 second at ISO 2500 with a wide open f/1.4 aperture. The noise was minor and easily corrected. The colors were accurate and I took a short burst of three shots just to ensure stability. I could have used a slower shutter speed or even a higher one.
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Shallow DOF:
The benefit of a fast lens with a wide aperture is greater presence of shallow DOF... something that really helps to isolate a subject against any background. Whilst the new iPhones are great at FAKING bokeh, they're also very well known for screwing it up...
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A nice Fake Bokeh from a modern iPhone ... with serious problems concerning its software algorithm for diffusing backgrounds and generating fake Bokeh.
"Bad Bokeh" - allegedly from the new iPhone XR model.
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Lens Brightness and Sensor Size
The big deal about the 32mm f/1.4 STM lens is that it's cheap (although from the comment above it's clear some people think that this paltry price is too much). But it's an important lens because it's so incredibly SHARP. Sensor Size is important if you want to capture specific results. The aperture available is also important. Image Stabilization is not, especially when using fast glass and not too long a lens. As you can see from the images below, the combination of aperture and sensor size produces differences that are world apart in terms of visual impact and appeal. (the images below were taken at my local cinema one evening).
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PowerShot S95 - f/2 | ISO 1000 | 1/125 sec
6D + EF 85mm f/1.2L USM II - f/1.2 | ISO 400 | 1/160 sec
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A Phone-Camera (eg iPhone) is a very handy tool to have. Most people have their phone at hand when needed. It takes a better picture than many (most) compact cameras. But it doesn't replace a DSLR or a Mirrorless camera and I can't see it doing so while the sensors and batteries remain small and the trend of making phones thinner and lighter continues. The only time an iPhone can perform best is in bright light. In lowlight it's forced to take multiple exposures and then averages out the noise and exposure data whilst still using very aggressive noise reduction software. The results are often mixed. I prefer the results from lenses like this new 32mm f/1.4 lens over anything my iPhone can take. And until Apple can sort out their image problems with the latest iPhoneXS I'm not likely to bother updating.
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EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM lens - bokeh + detail + exposure + sharpness example
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Regards,
Marco Nero.
