Some thoughts about EOS M, EOS R and Fuji

nnowak wrote:

Bhotoz wrote:

nnowak wrote:

Bhotoz wrote:

I'm also interested in X-T3, mainly for shooting birds, sports, kids + portraits with 100-400 and 50-140 lenses. I'm thinking if I would change my 7d2 + long EF-lenses to that Fuji kit. But I'm not sure / convinced yet, if it's worth all the money, and if X-T3's AF if good enough for BIF. (Maybe 16-55mm f2.8 might be good option for shooting events too. Could it also replace my FF? Would I miss FF?) I'm also a little worried, that I should buy & learn new software (Capture One) for photo editing, Lightroom is said not to be good for Fuji's RAW-files.

Capture one is still a bit better, but Lightroom has come a long way and is much better with Fuji files than in the past. Plenty of people use Lightroom with Fuji cameras and are perfectly happy. Regarding Capture One, they recently released a free "lite" version specifically for Fuji users.

I have Lightroom 5.? 😁

Plenty of people are already successfully shooting BIF with the older X-T2 and X-H1. The X-T3 should have no problem.

I've heard some say X-T3 is better or as good as 7d2 / D500 for BIF, some say it's not. I should try and see myself.

Comparisons are scarce, but I have heard the X-T3 is second to the D500. If it matters, Nokishita was reporting that a 7D III is likely coming in just a few months.

I have been thought about 7d3 also, but not sure about that anymore... Will Canon take big enough step forward in sensor? I think it will be the current 24mp sensor. Yes, it's better than 7d2's sensor, but...

I'm also interested in R (to replace my 5d3) for low light shooting, events, portraits, landscape... But I'm not sure / convinced yet, if it's worth all the money. When R's price drops, then maybe? Sad those 3 fps, I propably couldn't use that for low light sports anymore... But could X-T3 replace both my 7d2 and 5d3? Or what is Canon doing in the near future...? That's what I'm also thinking in my head... 🤔

I have also M50, 11-22mm, 18-150mm, 22mm, 28mm and have ordered 32mm. Whatever new system I'm buying, I wouldn't / couldn't dump this M-kit. Such a great, small and light kit for the price.

You should try renting an X-T2 or X-T3 plus the 50-140mm f2.8 lens and give it a try. There is a good chance you could replace all three of your Canon cameras with a single Fuji body. I wouldn't guarantee that the X-T3 is fully up to the level of a 5D III, but it may be close enough for you. The X-T2 was clearly better than my 5D II.

Yes, I'd love to rent, but unfortunately it's not possible. Nobody rents here... Here are also not many Fuji sellers in the nearhood. 😑

No, I don't want to have only one body. I'm not fan of changing lenses. When I'm out, I have 7d2 for birds / wildlife and M50 + Ef-m lenses for landscape and macro. (Sometimes, but not very often, I also have 5d3 + 70-200 2.8 if I think I need more "light power".) I think I could replace my two dslrs with one capable mirrorless "do it all" body, but not my M50-kit. I'm pretty happy with this small, light and cheap kit for landscape and macro shooting for now. Those comparable Fuji lenses would also cost a lot more and would be bigger and heavier too I think.

One thing I have missed many years, and I remember we have discussed about it some time ago: I'd like to have faster normal zoom for shooting family events. I still have only primes in normal fl for my 5d3 (using mainly 35 IS), zoom would be nice for versatility. I once tried EF 24-105 (original), but didn't like and sold it. So, RF 24-105 vs XF 16-55? RF has IS, XF has not. IS is not necessary for shooting people in that range, but if shooting something static in low light, IS is great. But would I like it (RF)? Don't know yet... I've heard only good things about 16-55 image quality wise. Wish it has IS. (Or maybe X-T4 has IBIS?) Yes, there is also XF 18-55 but..

It is pretty safe to assume that in less than 12 months Fuji will be launching a X-H2 that combines all of the X-T3 goodness with IBIS. As Fuji gains more experience with IBIS, it will likely end up in most of the range, but that could take a couple years. The X-T4 would be a safe bet for IBIS. Fuji also has a 16-80mm f4.0 IS on the roadmap for 2019. Probably not the best for indoor family events, but great for everything else. Personally, I am holding off on the X-T3 in the hopes I can get a deal on a bunde with the upcoming 16-80mm lens.

I have already 18-150mm, so f2.8 zoom (or maybe f4 zoom in FF) would serve me better.

The EOS R would be great for the indoor family stuff and could easily replace your 5D III, but is not really up to the task of replacing your 7DII. If you crop to APS-C, you are down to about 11MP. As you mentioned, burst speed is pretty poor too. The rumored "pro" R might better fit your needs, but it will certainly be more expensive than a 5DIV. Size may go up too.

The X-T3 is the opposite. It can easily replace your 7D II, but less so with the 5D III. Some of the Fuji primes could mitigate the difference though. The X-T3 with the 23mm f1.4 would get you very close to your 5D III and 35mm f2.0 IS

Certainly, but I would prefer zoom for versatility.

If you had to choose between the 7D II and 5D III, which would you pick? The answer to that will likely point you to X-T3 or EOS R.

Yeah. I added couple of years ago 7d2, because I had to crop too much from 5d3 files when shooting birds. But I'm not very happy to shoot at ISO 6400 (which happens quite often) with 7d2.

If I now should pick only one camera between 5d3 and 7d2, I would pick 5d3, although I'm using 7d2 almost every day (and I'm not using 5d3 everyday). 😀 I'm using 7d2 only with my teles for birds & wildlife. For other shooting (except landscapes and macro -> M50) I always grab my 5d3. I'm shooting also sports with 5d3+70-200 ii, if I don't have to crop too much. I trust more 5d3's AF, and prefer it's iq over 7d2.

My original plan was to upgrade 5d3 to 5d4. Now that I've been shooting with M50, I'd like to have EVF and eye AF (for shooting kids / portraits) in FF... No need for mfa would be great too. At the moment 5d4 and R body cost about the same. Unfortunately 5d4 is not mirrorless and R is not good for sports. Yes, the "pro model" R would propably be better for me. But the coming price...? 🙄

X-T3 seems to be a little better in high ISO than 7d2, but apparently not a huge difference. I should play with Fuji files first. If I like them, I might jump to X-T3 + XF 100-400mm if I find a good deal. I have EF 400mm 5.6L, which is good for BIF, but not so great to shoot static birds in lower light. Because it lacks IS, I still have to use quite high shutter speed. And mfd (3,5m) is not good for close-ups, such as butterflies. I have also Sigma 100-400mm, bought it because it's small and light and cheap and more versatility. It's ok in bright light for static shots, but AF struggles in lower light, BIF and distant subjects. IS is not very effective either. So I'm pretty sure X-T3 + XF 100-400mm would beat 7d2 + Sigma 100-400mm easily. But maybe 7d2 + 400mm 5.6L wins that Fuji-combo in BIF...? I really would like to try that Fuji-combo before I sell my 400L and regret afterwards. I'd really love to have capable 100-400. I don't like to choose "either BIF-lens or static-lens". (I can shoot BIF with Sigma, IS off, but focus is unreliable, much more oof shots compared to 400L.) I didn't want to buy EF 100-400mm ii, because of price and weight. 400L feels so much better in hands and balanced with body when shooting BIF...

Sorry OT... Hope Canon makes great mirrorless aps-c action camera + a little smaller and lighter than current 100-400mm lens for it! 😀