Am I the only one / mirrorless

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Re: Speaking only for myself....

Fishchris wrote:

T3 wrote:

Fishchris wrote:

T3 wrote:

Fishchris wrote:

williams359 wrote:

I would like a mirrorless camera in the body of the 5D Mark 4 . What I mean by that is I like the size, I like the feel and I like the controls. I would like a mirrorless camera in that body so all my lenses just fit without adapters. I don’t want anything that is smaller and I am very happy with the weight . Am I the only one or do you all want it to be smaller and lighter than the current 5d range

I still see no reason whatsoever, to own a mirrorless camera regardless of features or specs. I'm convinced that mirrorless is fantastic for manufacturers (cheaper, and easier to produce, higher profit margins) but not much benefit for most photographers, and definitely not for me.

I think photographers in the future will look back at DSLRs with amusement at how limited and comparatively primitive their technology was. In the future, when most photographers are using mirrorless cameras, they will see DSLRs lacking in many of the features that they now take for granted as "normal":

  • real-time exposure preview
  • having a live histogram in the viewfinder
  • face/eye AF
  • being able to punch into a scene with focus magnification to check focus accuracy
  • focus points that aren't just clustered in the center of the viewfinder
  • viewfinders that never black out during shooting
  • having a camera be able to identify a specific face and the camera prioritizes autofocus on that particular face

In fact, these features are features that mirrorless cameras already have. And many, if not all, of these features are of considerable benefit to many photographers. Focus point coverage, alone, is a big improvement! Here's the meager focus point coverage of a 5D MKIV:

Here's the focus point coverage of the Nikon Z6 and Sony A7 III (I can't find a similar image for the EOS R's AF point coverage):

There's obviously a huge difference in focus point coverage. This results in photographers having to do far less focus-lock-recompose, and allows better tracking of subjects throughout the image frame. Let's face it, focus-lock-recompose is a pain, and it's the ultimate form of shooting "lag".

But you have shown a list of bells and whistles which really won't make much, if any difference to my type of shooting.

I can hear you telling me that this is just me... But I think their are a lot of people out there who primarily shoot landscapes, and won't use most of those features either.

Especially the focus points. It would seem a shame to have hundreds of focus points, and to just turn them all off except the center point, as that is what I like to do with my 6D. I assume you can still do that with these mirrorless cameras right ?

The only thing I really need is more MP's, and I can get that with a 5Ds or if I were dreaming, a D850... As it is, I can get more MP's than either of these with stitches from my old 6D ☺️

I think you're just ignoring many of the benefits of mirrorless. For example, I have two Canon tilt-shift lenses ((24mm TS-E and 45mm TS-E) that I use for landscape and architectural photography. I find EVF focus peaking and focus magnification very helpful for use with these lenses. I also use these lenses with reverse tilt, which creates a very unique focus plane that allows you to have very specific areas of an image in focus. The effect looks like this (not my image):

Again, EVF focus peaking and focus magnification are very helpful for this kind of shooting. You can punch into the image and see exactly what's in focus, and focus peaking allows you to see the areas of sharpness throughout the entire image.

For landscape photography, graduated ND filters are also a lot easier to work with when using mirrorless cameras since you are looking through the EVF with the lens at its shooting aperture (ie. stopped down), but without the darkened view that you normally get with an OVF. When you look through an EVF, even when the camera is stopped down to f/11, you're still seeing the image as it will appear when exposed. At f/11 on a DSLR, you're looking at a very dark viewfinder! And it's really difficult to see the gradient line of graduated ND filters.

It's not that I'm ignoring potential benefits, it's just that I feel like I do well in these areas without them.

Of course once I used them, I might feel differently. Everybody has lived without things until they had them, then "just had to have them after that" and I'm not doubting that could well be the case for myself with mirrorless.

A tilt and shift lens might be kind of cool, but with a little work, I can (and do) a perfect simulation of this in PP when and where I want to.

I never use graduated ND filters. I always shoot bracketed sets for HDR, so I can make the sky as dark, and the landscape as bright as I want to ☺️

I have said recently, (maybe earlier in this thread) that I'd take a brand new Sony or Nikon mirrorless, with there 40mp's, and all the bells and whistles, if someone were handing them out, but my dream camera is still the D850

For me, everything that I used to do with a DSLR is made easier and more effective with mirrorless. That includes using tilt-shifts (no need for fakery in post-processing) and bracketed HDR with more post-process work. I find I do a lot less post-processing and exposure tweaking with mirrorless, mainly thanks to the real-time exposure preview and having a live histogram inside the viewfinder. Those two things really allow me to get as close to perfect exposure as I have ever had with photography. It also greatly cuts down on post-shot chimping because I simply find that I don't need to do it anymore. It's also great for ETTR (Expose To The Right) shooters, because ETTR is all about shifting the histogram over to the right, and which is obviously a lot easier to do when you have a live histogram in the viewfinder to guide you. Of course, there are always going to be curmudgeons who say close-minded things like, "I still see no reason whatsoever, to own a mirrorless camera regardless of features or specs." Again, I just think that's very close-minded.

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