Get R now, wait, pass, or switch?

MayaTlab0 wrote:

Ed Rizk wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

Ed Rizk wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

Ed Rizk wrote:

If the next one has IBIS........

I'd bet heavily against it. The reason the Z has IBIS is because Nikon is buying the Sony sensor assembly which comes with IBIS.

Does it ? I feel that it isn't the same. Nikon's sensor, for example, is locked when powered off, unlike Sony's.

I'm thinking Nikon has a partnership with Sony where they put their own spin on Sony designs.

The Nikon looks good. They are well behind Canon in lenses for the new mount, though...

They're f/1.8 primes look mighty good!

There is more to lens quality than F stops and focal lengths, so you may be right. The RF lenses just look more interesting. All of the Nikon lenses could have been made for the old mont, unless I'm missing something. The Canon lenses take advantage of the new mount.

Not quite. In fact pretty much the exact opposite : all of Nikon's Z lenses make extensive use of the new mount, even the 24-70mm f4 !

Let's compare, for example, the 50mm f1.2 RF with the 50mm f1.8 Z. The latter's rear element is just as close if not closer to the sensor, and just as large as the former :

That 50mm f1.8 Z's rear element is so large that, in fact, it wouldn't even have fitted within the F mount diameter, let alone support structure and electronic contacts :D.

In terms of performances, MTF figures suggest very ambitious goals for both of these lenses. The Nikon may actually turn out to be one of the best 50mm ever made in terms of price / performance ratio. Unless Nikon screws up OOF rendering, it may actually turn out to be a modern classic.

Yes -- those f/1.8 primes for the Z do look impressive.

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Personally, I find the Z lens lineup and roadmap so attractive and so well aligned with what I'd like to get that there is a strong chance that I may switch to the Z system in one or two years. I really don't care about 1kg €2500 50mm f1.2 primes (but it surely is looking like an impressive lens in many regards as well).

I can't say that I'm not having the same thoughts.

...as they are in DSLR ultra wide lenses. Wider is better.

Wide is better still with lots of pixels. Thus, the Z7.

I like more pixels. I don't need more than I have that often, but better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. I like big prints and I like to crop heavily in some cases, particularly when I don't want to a wider lens in the middle of a shoot.

A 5Dsr equivalent is probably in the near future for the R lineup.

I'm not convinced about that, unless you mean that the "RsR" body would be to the 5DSR what the R is to the 5DIV. In other words : an extremely slow camera (think 1-2fps with AF in focus priority mode, maybe 3 in release priority mode), without 4K.

Canon right now is hampered by their inability to manufacture sensors with a faster readout speed at a low enough cost. Scaling up the APSC DPAF sensors would instantly mean very slow performances.

That they couldn't do better than the 6DII's sensor in a €2200 DSLR camera (at launch) and the 5DIV sensor in a €2500 mirrorless (ie, cheaper to make) camera is worrying.

Canon's sensor tech is certainly lagging compared to Sony's.  Specifically, if two versions of the R were out, one with the current R sensor (basically the same as the 5D4 sensor) and one with the Z6 sensor, I would be heavily on the Z6 sensor variant selling much better.