Poll Time! Will you buy the R Locked

RubberDials wrote:

J A C S wrote:

RubberDials wrote:

In lens can only give you two axes of stabilisation - pitch and yaw. To get 5 axes you need IBIS which gives you compensation on the X an Y axis plus roll.

IBIS adds roll only. The other two axes are "virtual".

No. The X and Y and roll movement is actual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ncye37e6xM

There's no real defence for Canon's position as the trend is to combine in-lens with in-body - all Sony lenses above 85mm have in-lens stabilisation that works in concert with the in-body stabilisation.

Something I have not seen mentioned here: The R uses the sensor feedback to control the IS of the lens. Not sure if Sony does it.

As far as I know the R body doesn't have a gyro or an accelerometer, so what motion feedback would there be from the camera?

I would imagine there was a technical issue why they left it off - perhaps to do with processing power as it does involve computation.

I’m curious as to how Canon is going to charge more for features found in Sony’s $2k entry level camera with a straight face. And will people actually buy it?

Because they are better built cameras maybe that does not matter to you but I have had to chip ice off my 1D to use it how much is that quality worth.

Interesting times.

Yes interesting especially when Canon takes full advantage of the mount to design lenses that Sony can’t match due to the restrictions of their mount size.

This is marketing BS, sorry.

Why would Sigma say it? Come to the PST forum and tell us that it is BS.

Say what? No-one has provided a link to what they said. Don has claimed that Canon has taken "full advantage of the mount to design lenses that Sony can’t match due to the restrictions of their mount size."

And that's simply rubbish. There's no other word for it. You can already buy f1.2 (and larger) native lenses in E-mount, just not from Sony. Sony has a patent for a 28-70/2 https://photorumors.com/2016/01/28/sony-fe-28-70mm-f2-lens-patent/ which they may or my not make. The likelihood that they will has probably increased.

You can also adapt all the Canon f1.2 lenses (including the FD ones) and there are many Canon users who also shoot Sony who use the 85/1.2L with the metabones or MC-11

You can probably mount any maximum aperture lens you like via adapters but unfortunately it does not necessarily mean that all of the exit rays will be able to strike the sensor if the mount is too narrow to allow that.

The result of that might not be immediately obvious depending on the position of the exit pupil but in certain cases there may well be mechanical vignetting that effectively reduces the maximum aperture of the lens.

I don't know what the PST forum is but I'm happy to discuss this there or in person.

Don, surely you're old enough to remember that lenses like the 85/1.2 and the 50/1.2 appeared originally on FD mount which has a much smaller throat diameter and crucially a very long flange distance.

Not all f/1.2 lenses are created equal.

I don't know what you're saying here. The 85/1.2 is virtually unchanged from it's FD version. It is certainly optically unchanged aside from coatings.

Not wishing to be too picky but that's not quite true.  The overall design is similar but from memory the main difference was that the aspheric element was moved from the 2nd element to the 3rd in the EF version mainly to facilitate the somewhat different focusing system.

If the bazooka-sized Canon 28-70/2 is a big seller Sony will make an equivalent straight away.

I am not bashing Sony but only trying to point out that as good as they are they also have issues.

Totally correct, just not these ones.