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I was going to buy a D10 but he guy in the local shop told me that i should wait for the D300 which will take the new EF-S lens, an later the D10 will be replaced with the D5, a new version what will take the EF-S lens. The upside is that the pros can benifit from the better optics of the EF-S profile; the down side of this is that all the D10 owners will be left behind. My question is to all the D300 and D10 owners is which is the wiser choice?
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Ant
 
Where did you get that idea? The EF-S lenses are low grade consumer optics and can't compare optically or in build quality to most of the Canon lens line.
Ant said:
I was going to buy a D10 but he guy in the local shop told me that
i should wait for the D300 which will take the new EF-S lens, an
later the D10 will be replaced with the D5, a new version what will
take the EF-S lens. The upside is that the pros can benifit from
the better optics of the EF-S profile; the down side of this is
that all the D10 owners will be left behind. My question is to all
the D300 and D10 owners is which is the wiser choice?
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Ant
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Doug Walker
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I'd wait for more confirmation of this than just the word of "the guy at the shop". I really don't know what to make of it yet.

Even if Canon abandoned the EF line of lenses tomorrow in favor of EF-S lenses I would think you would have enough lenses available to shoot a discontinued 10D body for the rest of your life.
 
Even though Canon has only announced the 18-55mm and 70-300mm EF-S, if 300D does well enough that Canon might just wanna expand the EF-S line for the mass market.

Harry
Mongrel said:
I'd wait for more confirmation of this than just the word of "the
guy at the shop". I really don't know what to make of it yet.

Even if Canon abandoned the EF line of lenses tomorrow in favor of
EF-S lenses I would think you would have enough lenses available to
shoot a discontinued 10D body for the rest of your life.
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Harry
 
quote from http://www.imaging-resource.com d300 review.

'Apparently, besides reducing the size and cost of the lens elements themselves, the reduction in back focus distance makes it easier for the lens designers to reduce distortion, coma, and chromatic aberration as well. When used on the Digital Rebel body, the 18-55mm EF-S lens delivers image quality as good as that of many of Canon's conventional 35mm-oriented lenses costing many times as much. '
Doug Walker said:
Ant said:
I was going to buy a D10 but he guy in the local shop told me that
i should wait for the D300 which will take the new EF-S lens, an
later the D10 will be replaced with the D5, a new version what will
take the EF-S lens. The upside is that the pros can benifit from
the better optics of the EF-S profile; the down side of this is
that all the D10 owners will be left behind. My question is to all
the D300 and D10 owners is which is the wiser choice?
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Ant
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Doug Walker
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Ant
 
Expect VERY few EF-S lenses to ever be produced. They will really only benefit wide-angles, anyway.

I'd lay odds you've already seen the only EF-S lens to ever be made, actually.
Ant said:
I was going to buy a D10 but he guy in the local shop told me that
i should wait for the D300 which will take the new EF-S lens, an
later the D10 will be replaced with the D5, a new version what will
take the EF-S lens. The upside is that the pros can benifit from
the better optics of the EF-S profile; the down side of this is
that all the D10 owners will be left behind. My question is to all
the D300 and D10 owners is which is the wiser choice?
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm

Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
 
Ant said:
I was going to buy a D10 but he guy in the local shop told me that
i should wait for the D300 which will take the new EF-S lens, an
later the D10 will be replaced with the D5, a new version what will
take the EF-S lens. The upside is that the pros can benifit from
the better optics of the EF-S profile; the down side of this is
that all the D10 owners will be left behind. My question is to all
the D300 and D10 owners is which is the wiser choice?
--
Ant
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david,

Do you think is possible a 12-24ish F/4 EF-S L usm?
DavidP said:
I'd lay odds you've already seen the only EF-S lens to ever be
made, actually.
Ant said:
I was going to buy a D10 but he guy in the local shop told me that
i should wait for the D300 which will take the new EF-S lens, an
later the D10 will be replaced with the D5, a new version what will
take the EF-S lens. The upside is that the pros can benifit from
the better optics of the EF-S profile; the down side of this is
that all the D10 owners will be left behind. My question is to all
the D300 and D10 owners is which is the wiser choice?
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with
years of training and experience in such things.
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Sure, it's possible.

And if there WERE gonna be another EF-S lens, I'd say it'd be something wider than 18mm.

Maybe even just a 12mm prime.

I don't know if they'd bother trying to make it an L, though. In fact, they probably wouldn't have to, given the design of the EF-S system.
mcfly said:
Do you think is possible a 12-24ish F/4 EF-S L usm?
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm

Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
 
Because those who want really wide-angle will either get a 14mm prime (that already exists) or go to a full-frame sensor.

What the 18-55 did was allow Canon to produce an inexpensive 28-90mm (35mm equivalent) zoom for people to use on this inexpensive body.

That particular focal range is quite popular among point/n/shoots, so I think they wanted to produce a lens that could be in this range without it costing a lot of money.
Pidi said:
Pidi said:
I'd lay odds you've already seen the only EF-S lens to ever be
made, actually.
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Why?
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm

Extrapolation from few solid data points is best left to those with years of training and experience in such things.
 
Ant said:
'Apparently, besides reducing the size and cost of the lens
elements themselves, the reduction in back focus distance makes it
easier for the lens designers to reduce distortion, coma, and
chromatic aberration as well. When used on the Digital Rebel body,
the 18-55mm EF-S lens delivers image quality as good as that of
many of Canon's conventional 35mm-oriented lenses costing many
times as much. '
Doug Walker said:
Ant said:
I was going to buy a D10 but he guy in the local shop told me that
i should wait for the D300 which will take the new EF-S lens, an
later the D10 will be replaced with the D5, a new version what will
take the EF-S lens. The upside is that the pros can benifit from
the better optics of the EF-S profile; the down side of this is
that all the D10 owners will be left behind. My question is to all
the D300 and D10 owners is which is the wiser choice?
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Ant
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Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
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Ant
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I have the 300d. I have the kit lens. I think it is a good deal for 100$. But the lens has issues. It certainly is not higher quality than some of the better non EF-S alternatives.

This is not to say that they could not build an EF-S lens that out-performed the regular lens. But they have not done so currently.

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For a small gallery of 300d pictures, see:
http://ratphoto.home.comcast.net/
They were taken with the EF-S 18-55 kit lens as well as a 70-200 F4L.
 
Ant wrote:
If this is accurate
Ant124371 said:
quote from http://www.imaging-resource.com d300 review.

'Apparently, besides reducing the size and cost of the lens
elements themselves, the reduction in back focus distance makes it
easier for the lens designers to reduce distortion, coma, and
chromatic aberration as well. When used on the Digital Rebel body,
the 18-55mm EF-S lens delivers image quality as good as that of
many of Canon's conventional 35mm-oriented lenses costing many
times as much. '
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then doesn't this imply that lenses in the EF-S format are intrinsically better then otherwise equivilent lenses that are made in 35mm full frame format? And that if Canon replaces all their non-full frame bodies with bodies that can use EF-S lenses, that they would continue to release EF-S lenses that are better than comparably priced 35mm full frame lenses. Which would amount to Canon inching into their own four/thirds type system.

I think this is the question that Ant is asking.

Is this a reasonable assumption to make based on the imaging-resource review? If it is, then this makes the 300d more attractive.

Wayne Larmon
 
Not that the kit lens is better than the L EF, but if Canon make L with EF-S mount, it will be cheaper and same quality as the EF. The only diff. between the EF and EF-S is the size.

For digital, which is likely to be Canon's main line of product, stick with EF-S makes lots of sense unless they will introduce 35mm size CMOS sensor anytime soon.
Ant said:
I was going to buy a D10 but he guy in the local shop told me that
i should wait for the D300 which will take the new EF-S lens, an
later the D10 will be replaced with the D5, a new version what will
take the EF-S lens. The upside is that the pros can benifit from
the better optics of the EF-S profile; the down side of this is
that all the D10 owners will be left behind. My question is to all
the D300 and D10 owners is which is the wiser choice?
--
Ant
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Lance
 
LanceD said:
Not that the kit lens is better than the L EF, but if Canon make L
with EF-S mount, it will be cheaper and same quality as the EF. The
only diff. between the EF and EF-S is the size.
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Then those EF-S L lens can't be used on 1Ds and maybe even 1D. Canon doesn't want to segement their lens offering. one for all in EF mount has served them well. Don't see them changing that in their high end product line. 18-55 EF-S is a smart product and market move to hit the under 1K price target.
LanceD said:
For digital, which is likely to be Canon's main line of product,
stick with EF-S makes lots of sense unless they will introduce 35mm
size CMOS sensor anytime soon.
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But would they eventually will introduce replacement for the 1D and 1Ds that can take EF-S? They have to think further into the future of how to win more low-end market because that's where the money is.
Franklin said:
LanceD said:
Not that the kit lens is better than the L EF, but if Canon make L
with EF-S mount, it will be cheaper and same quality as the EF. The
only diff. between the EF and EF-S is the size.
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Then those EF-S L lens can't be used on 1Ds and maybe even 1D.
Canon doesn't want to segement their lens offering. one for all in
EF mount has served them well. Don't see them changing that in
their high end product line. 18-55 EF-S is a smart product and
market move to hit the under 1K price target.
Franklin said:
For digital, which is likely to be Canon's main line of product,
stick with EF-S makes lots of sense unless they will introduce 35mm
size CMOS sensor anytime soon.
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Lance
 
It's a cheapo consumer lens standard, I doubt that there will be any more EF-S lenses as only wide angle benefits - also only the 1.6X FOV crop bodies benefit so it'll never find it's way into Pro and semi pro cameras or Film ..

My guess is that EF-S will live and Die with the Rebels, the 10D's replacement is likely to have a 1.3X sensor and the much speculated EOS-3D certainly will so no EF-S for them.. of course the 1-series cameras are 1.3X and full frame so no EF-S there either.. 1.6X sensors are small and can hold onmly a limited number of pixels and the EOS DSLR system will grow well beyond that so eventually all Canon DSLRs will be 1.3X and full frame --- Good bye EF-S ..

All EF-S has done is allowed a reasonably wide angle lens to be made very cheaply for the 300D - Canon it would seem woudn't expect somone who' spent £750 on a 300D Body to spend almost the same again on a 17-40L so they provided a cheap option..

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As long as replacements for 1Dx have large sensor (larger than 1.6x crop ones), it will be hard to swing the large mirror without hitting the back-end of EF-s lens. EF-S is just a cheap way of implementing wide-angle lens. I think in high-end, compatibility is more important than production cost to certain extent.
LanceD said:
Franklin said:
LanceD said:
Not that the kit lens is better than the L EF, but if Canon make L
with EF-S mount, it will be cheaper and same quality as the EF. The
only diff. between the EF and EF-S is the size.
Click to expand...
Then those EF-S L lens can't be used on 1Ds and maybe even 1D.
Canon doesn't want to segement their lens offering. one for all in
EF mount has served them well. Don't see them changing that in
their high end product line. 18-55 EF-S is a smart product and
market move to hit the under 1K price target.
LanceD said:
For digital, which is likely to be Canon's main line of product,
stick with EF-S makes lots of sense unless they will introduce 35mm
size CMOS sensor anytime soon.
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Lance
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