How the G90/95 should look (tried to design it).

jwilliams wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

jwilliams wrote:

Haven't heard anything official and rumor was the G80/85 line is dead.

Yes. But nothing I write here ahs got anything to do with reality of course. Just some users fantasy mostly. We can dream.

I would say that a A7III is the FF equivalent of what a G90 should be. G9 is not it, GX9 for sure ain't it either. I think the 750-1000 dollar/euro segment currently is not well tended for currently. So there is a hole there and it is the price range where the G80 fitted in nicely. A G90 would do the same. No FF cam with specs anywhere close to what I wrote down is possible, so no competition there. X-T100 Fuji comes to mind, but it is underwhelming in reality.

Lots of sub$1K APSC cameras available that have way better IQ. Can't they see this?

I don't agree with the IQ, but suppose you feel this way there is nothing they can do since the GX9 is sub1000 and has the best possible mFT IQ. We just cannot expect miracles which is why I did nt mention a better sensor but went for a cam that can be put together with current tech (don't know if the G7 provides enough space for those items I chose).

So the me the keyword is "performance". Enthusiast performance to my mind means: Swiss army knife of cams. G9 is it too, but it is the Swiss Army Knife Rambostyle. No such mFT currently is made like that. GX9 lacks a good EVF that is beyond critique. It lacks the right formfactor, the speed for action, the ergonomics I think too.
Long story short: G80 2019 style is needed.

To me it would seem exceedingly stupid to discontinue what is really the beast all around camera in m43, but lots of stupid stuff going on in m43 lately.

I think a lot of good stuff is going on lately. Lenses are really nice, we have everything (almost) that we want or need. High end lenses are fine, since the mid and lower end is also well spec'd.

The only thing is that there is just no enthusiast am available that is modern by todays standards and up for tomorrows demands. G80 not and EM5.23 surely not. I agree they can score here with a very good cam without getting compared to FF (yet again) because the price is somewhat similar to that A7III.

As far as the update, if they just put the 20MP chip in and give it the G9 processing I would be happy. I haven't bought a m43 camera in a very long time and at the moment it looks like I may never buy one. If they can do a simple update without screwing up it up and keep the price reasonable it would be a camera I probably would buy.

Rumours have it that G90 is going to be a mini GH5s. Now that rumour is not rated as very reliable, but as somewhat reliable. I think very very few photographers would welcome such a G90 instead I think it could infuriate quite a few as , IF it happens, Panasonic is losig touch with the photographers community. Sad because we can see how they now very well how to make a good hybrid cam. Like....the G80. I hope they will realise such a cam is needed, a revamped one.

For all I care they could leave video completely off. Even the lowest spec Panny has more video capabilities than you average user needs. They have neglected the stills end of things for waaaay too long.

I have an Em1.2. For all I care a whole G90 could never materilase and personally I would be fine. So this is more a broader perspective, just looking at the current line up and what is missing and what could be done. A G90 needs good video, usable modern video. So 4k 100 Mb 30P cuts it. AF needs to be better, certainly if you are Panasonic and you are known mostly (for al the right or wrong reasons) for your video capabilites...

Part of this probably is due to their insistence to keep using the old outdated 16MP chip. More resolution doesn't help video so they can add capabilities via software, which is cheap, while ignoring the stills end of thigs. Extremely frustrating for those that just want to take photographs.

20 MP does help video though. I agree that a G90 should be much like a G9 mini, so video should not be in the way of photo. 4K 100 Mb/s 30P is nothing that demands a lot from such a cam. G80 had it 2 years ago. Can be added without any sacrficie I think.