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Steve Perry's Take on Nikon Z cameras
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dv312
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Makes a lot of sense for wildlife since the lenses will be the same lenses and body weight like the D750 or D500 just add a little bit of difference
For other genres then the Z may make more sense
If I were to buy Nikon today for wildlife today I'd get the D500 + 200-500 or the new 500 PF lens
The D500 is cheaper and can do a better job than the Z
I do like the EVF on the Z though (more so than the OVF)
Cheers,
For other genres then the Z may make more sense
If I were to buy Nikon today for wildlife today I'd get the D500 + 200-500 or the new 500 PF lens
The D500 is cheaper and can do a better job than the Z
I do like the EVF on the Z though (more so than the OVF)
Cheers,
rhlpetrus
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I agree, a WL shooter needs a fast reliable, very well-built, weather sealed, top AF, good balance with longer lenses, and top long lenses.
D500, D850, D5 fit that in Nikonland, Canon has their alternatives, Sonys miss a couple of those requirements. The Current Zs are not in the same league, but Nikon will eventually develop one or two such bodies in Z mount.
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Some valid points there, obviously he haven't tested the camera but he seems to have good knowledge of the specs and possible limitations.
Would it be possible to shot some occasional wildlife with the Z6? I'm sure it will, but a DSLR like the D500 or even D7500 will be a better choice in the long run.
manhattanboy
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On Nikonrumors he was all enthusiastic about the new Z cameras. Not sure why folks got their hopes up for this launch. Nikon crippled these cameras and way overpriced the Z7. As they know how to make great DSLRs, there is nothing but greed to blame for that.
Professionals already use the pre-prod Z cams with great success.
Why not try one for yourself before starting the endless trash talk?
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Go buy the Z7. Godspeed.
Thoughts R Us
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Even Steve Perry writes that his opinion is a spec review only, not based on actual usage. Thus it's kind of useless.
The z series will deliver the highest technical image quality of any FF camera system on the market. I bet there will be more than few wildlife photographers who find a way to get beautiful images from the Z's.
The z series will deliver the highest technical image quality of any FF camera system on the market. I bet there will be more than few wildlife photographers who find a way to get beautiful images from the Z's.
Sagittarius
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I do not need an any companion to D500 for macro/landscape photography. As for video, nothing beats a dedicated video camera. Another consideration is that if you use combo camera and it's go broke, you are out of both. That is why I never have the same camera for video and stills.
Thoughts R Us
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I respect Steve Perry; I find his reviews generally to be well done. But that's because they are based on extensive hands on usage and an earnest attempt at empirical testing.
But this is just his initial thoughts based on specs; even he admits that. He should have stopped there because he risks some of his hard earned credibility. When some wildlife photogs use the Z camera to great effect, then what will that mean about this opinion?
I mean on what planet does one evaluate a product without actual usage? Would you trust a food critic who hasn't eaten in the restaurant? Would you trust a review of a car by someone who has not driven the vehicle?
It's actually a good sign for the Z series that the only critics are those who haven't used the camera or just fiddled with it for a very short period of time.
But this is just his initial thoughts based on specs; even he admits that. He should have stopped there because he risks some of his hard earned credibility. When some wildlife photogs use the Z camera to great effect, then what will that mean about this opinion?
I mean on what planet does one evaluate a product without actual usage? Would you trust a food critic who hasn't eaten in the restaurant? Would you trust a review of a car by someone who has not driven the vehicle?
It's actually a good sign for the Z series that the only critics are those who haven't used the camera or just fiddled with it for a very short period of time.
Sagittarius
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Yes, I would trust people with extensive experience like Steve Perry to be able to predict behavior of the camera by the specs more than anybody else. YMMV.
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Things like the camera dropping down to 5.5 fps in certain conditions are not going to change. In fact, I doubt anything will change, as these cameras are already being cranked out on the production line. Maybe they can tweak firmware, but overall, I think it is what it is at this point. Of course, no way to know for sure until they are out in the wild next month.
Thoughts R Us
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The problem is just that: predicting behavior by specs. In the real world we test and use empirically observed data. Steve does that all of the time. He tested the Nikon 180-400 against many lenses, even those with less specs, just to see the results. He was meticulous and did not just say, well, judging by the specs this new Nikon lens will surely be better.
Thoughts R Us
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Buffer is extremely competitive due to XQD. Read this analysis:
One snippet:
Nikon Z7 = 4.7 images per second
Sony a9 = 1.12 images per second
Thanks to just the XQD card in the Nikon Z7, without any form of Stacked Sensor, is able to outperform the Sony a9 by 4.2 times in buffer to memory speeds.
So while the a9 is sitting there clearing its buffer, the Nikon is ready to knock out another round. This is why the Sony a9 has such a big 225 image buffer and the Nikon only has a 23 image buffer. Simply because the Nikon Z7’s write speeds are so fast, it will hardly ever need anything bigger.
That is truly amazing.
PaulBearer
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almost all the claims we are reading now are totally meaningless.
I've been reading DPReview forever, and this fear and uncertainty by people who have no basis to render an opinion is a constant whenever a new camera body is announced. The attacks on the D850, pre-shipment a year ago, were outrageous.
I've been reading DPReview forever, and this fear and uncertainty by people who have no basis to render an opinion is a constant whenever a new camera body is announced. The attacks on the D850, pre-shipment a year ago, were outrageous.
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This is a good article, but it does not say how much bigger the camera would have to be to accommodate dual XQD cards, which is the main premise in the article of not having them.
Also when you hit the buffer limit, will it keep up even 4.7 images per second? Does a D850 hang in at 4.7 images per second after the buffer fills?
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Thoughts R Us
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You seem to think engineering these complex instruments is some sort of easy task that anyone can do. Kind of like just estimating the length of a plywood board.
How would the author of this article know how much larger the camera would have to be? Unless you are one of the engineers on the design team, with access to all of the schematics, and perform rigorous mathematical analysis, you wouldn't know. And remember when you change even one tiny thing it ripples through and changes the rest of the design. Engineers sweat every fraction of a millimeter.
BTW, sorry about my sarcastic tone. Just trying to have a bit of humor. No offense intended.
I don't know having not used the camera, but someone did say that when they hit the buffer limit, they let up for a tiny amount of time, and then were able to resume another burst. Apparently the buffer clears very fast, and faster than any Sony. Also on the Sony's when the buffer is clearing you can't access the menu, and given how long it takes sometimes for the buffer to clear, that can be an issue.
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