Nervous nellie...go with Pentax K-1 or move to Sony FF?

xmeda wrote:

Alex Sarbu wrote:

xmeda wrote:

FF camera makes sense with fast wide lenses that are not available for APS-C like 14/1.4, 20/1.4, 24/1.4 etc..

Wow. Just... wow. Care to explain why do you absolutely need such fast ultra wide-angle lenses for?

And since neither Canon, Nikon or Sony has a 14mm f/1.4 or 20mm f/1.4, their FF cameras don't make sense in your opinion? (Canon has a $1550 24mm f/1.4, Nikon's is $2000).

WRONG.

Oh, bold claim - but do you have anything to support it?

Sigma 14/1.8 (sorry for F1.4, but that changes nothing)

WRONG. Your claim was for f/1.4; f/1.8 is not f/1.4.

is available for Canon, Nikon and Sony. You can buy it today.
Same applies for all other lenses that are not available for Pentax like mentioned 20/1.4, 24/1.4 etc and usually from more sources like own + sigma + zeiss.
"why do you absolutely need"
Don't push words in my mouth!

WRONG. Your "FF camera makes sense with such lenses" is the same as "you need such lenses in order for the FF to make sense". I'm properly reading what you wrote, it's not my fault that you don't like what you wrote!

The point is, that you are able to cover everything else with no problem by APS-C cameras,

WRONG. FF is not only about shallow DoF.

but there are no lenses (YET) to cover FF equivallent of mentioned lenses like 14/1.8, 20/1.4, 24/1.4... etc. You'll need something like APS-C lens with 9mm and F1,2 to cover similar output you can get with lets say D810 + 14/1.8. Same applies for lenses like 15-30/2.8 because there is no APS-C lens with parameters like 10-20/F2 YET.
Wide angle fast fullframe lenses and even some short telephoto fast fullframe lenses simply have no counterpart on APS-C systems. And these options are only reason why one would spend more money for larger camera and more expensive lenses.. the desired output.

Wrong. FF is not only about shallow DoF.

But is it worth investing such amount of money into FF K mount?

Yes, for many of us.

DFA28-105/3.5-5.6 lens is just cheap walk-around lens for hiking, it IS NOT lens for any serious work that demands FF camera.

Define "any serious work". Without saying "shallow DoF.

And it IS NOT a lens unavailable on APS-C. Just get sigma 17-70/2.8-4 and you'll get similar output with smaller and even faster and a bit wider lens (26-105/2.8-4 in terms of light and 4 - 6.3 in terms of depth of field).

Yet you won't get the same image. Even with this "kit" lens.

I can easily turn this backward.. show me lenses that are FF K1 equivallent of lets say:
Sigma 8-16 (FF12-24??)
DA18-135WR (FF 28-200WR?)

This equivalence game makes no sense. The D FA line is made for the users, not to 'win' silly paper games.

And the D FA 28-105 is a much superior choice than a 18-135 on APS-C.

I can see the reaction already: Oh yes you can use them in crop mode... great.
One would certainly buy $2000 camera to do this...

WRONG. Are you discussing with me or with a figment of your imagination?

And since lenses like this ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR K1 and they are not even planned, the answer is easy:
a) stay with APS-C K mount and wait for K3 successor, or get KP

Are you trying to prevent someone from buying a camera you're often posting against?

By the way, here's what Ricoh Imaging has planned:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/products/lens/images/K_Mount_Lens.pdf

b) sell that while it has some value and get something else

There is no "something else".

Canon, Nikon, Sony all offer FF systems fully covered by lenses from ultra wide angle to extreme telephoto including full setup of fast F1.4 lenses. And they offer it NOW. Not in some dreamy PDF.

So what? You're still to prove the necessity of fast f/1.4 ultra wides.

Just reality.
Are you going to push somebody into investing in system, that is incapable to be competitve and that is still after all those "ff blah blah" years missing so many lenses and 3Rd party support?

Did I ever do that? Answer honestly, and check my posting history if you're unsure (if you say 'yes' I'll want quotes).

Is the FF portfolio of K mount lenses growing? Ok, then tell me which interesting FF K mount lenses were introduced during WHOLE YEAR 2017 and I can buy them.
Ah so.. none.

So? One quiet year and the K-mount is suddenly unworthy of consideration?

ASP-C line at least is covered by lenses. FF line is just pointless jump into water filled with sharks.

There's much to be done on APS-C line as well.

Using FF camera with 28-105 slow lens is just waste of money, not to mention the size and wight over K50 you are used to.

I own the D FA 28-105 and it's a very nice lens - too good for its price.

Alex

As usual.. are you Ricoh representative? Do they pay you to spread such "optimistic blind" things?

Ad hominem, the last resort of those with an agenda (but no arguments to support it).

Who pays you to constantly attack the K-1, if you want to go this way?

Alex