2 new entry cams ....

The_WB wrote:

Yes, right on point.

These cameras, just like ones in cell phones are so dumbed down, for the rank novice use that even a trained monkey can take a picture. Set on "A" mode or open the phone's camera app and click away.

We on this forum are more experienced photographers and can see the shortcomings of this level of camera. John Q. Public doesn't give a crap about DPAF system, "L" glass, 12 stop dynamic range of the sensor or RAW (CR2) file format that has to be post processed. All the general public wants to do is pull the camera out, turn it on, leave on Auto mode and click away to post on Facebook or other social media, once they figure out how to get the images off the memory card.

Bash Canons move all you want, but they are going after a different market with these models. Like I said before, wait until the sales numbers come out before you pick up the pitchforks and torches and go after Canon.

I would say you are mostly right for lower end cameras.  However, when the price hikes north of $500 the scrutiny increases as the price increases.  People want to do the best they can to make sure they spend their money wisely.  With Google being at everyone's disposal these days they are a five second search away from reading/watching a hundred reviews on any given product.  If they watch/read the first five reviews and see the same complaints then it will impact their decision.  Even if they don't know if the complaint affects how they will use the camera.

The 6D2 is a good example of what I am referring to above.  I think it hit the shelves in late July and over the next month it got absolutely hammered in the reviews.  It was brutal.  Just a few months later (November/December) Canon was fire selling them on their refurbished web site.  It started at $2,000 MSRP for body only in July and in December your could buy the Camera with a EF 24-105mm STM lens for around $1,300.  Say what you will but I have never seen Canon drop the price so far so fast on any camera they have released in the DSLR era.  There is only one reason they did this and it was because the camera was not selling at MSRP.  The reason it was not selling had to be the bad reviews it received.  It had a built in buyer base of 6D users that mostly decided to take a pass on it because of its shortcomings which they gleaned off the review sites too.  In today's world the reviews are very important for about anything we buy.  I know people who aren't computer savvy at all that still use reviews to gauge whether a product is worth buying.  Amazon has made many people aware of using product reviews as a tool in purchasing.  Where do you think most people will buy a new camera these days?