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Gh5 or Nx1 for video

Started Feb 3, 2018 | Questions thread
Kisaha Senior Member • Posts: 2,300
Re: I agree gh5 is very much better
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TuVuVu wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

M43ForMe wrote:

Kiasha, how do you feel the NX1 holds up today for people doing professional video work?

That depends, on a couple of TV shows, I pushed the use of GH5, it was a better choice, together with the amazing 12-100 Olympus (brilliant lens). But the producers wanted 10 bit for cheap, then GH5 is the only solution. That is not something to underestimate, but then again, most jobs, are 8bit 1080p, actually, most of the times a C100mkII is enough, so I wouldn't rush to get rid of my NX any time soon.

People underestimate what is to shoot 10 bit, or 400Mbps H264. The amount of data and processing power, plus the specialized equipment (10 bit workflow, RAID systems, editing machines etc) is staggering. I doubt even half a dozen here know and can, edit natively 10 bit.

Remember, most of the people excited about the GH5 are coming from

1) Canon, no worthy video option in any of its EOS M or Eos cameras, not even close

2) Fuji, until a year ago Fuji was a non factor for video, even their latest cameras are far behind NX

3) Sony was lacking in (PRO) ergonomics, heat dissipation (GH5 records continuous video, while NX 78minutes time limit, the rest are shooting 15-29 minutes and get warnings "Do not touch the camera"), lens selection, battery life

4) Nikon, does not even compete in mirrorless, mixed feelings from their dSLRs (regarding video)

5) Pentax/Ricoh, no

so, everyone else except NX!

With Nx you got:

1) small files and H265 is becoming the standard, even mobile phones shoot H265 these days

2) cheap media. Pana you have to use ultra expensive SD cards and SSD space are not that cheap (I edit in SSD), especially if you do 3 and 4 camera projects like I do, and you have 2 or 3 backup (like I do, in HDDs)

3) best ergonomics in class. GH5 is not as good, not even close in my opinion, of course someone coming from the a6300, which has no ergonomics whatsoever, feels like the GH5 is the most serious camera ever, and it is, just too big and too heavy, while m43 lenses are small and light. Some do not even offer touch screen solutions, or limited touch screen functionality. Menu system best in business.

4) even NX500 does not overheat!

5) SAMOLED screens of NX still best in business after 4 years (Panasonic is good as well, my impression is Samsung is better. Sony does not even work when you shoot 4K).

6) The 16-50S!! stabilized (the similar Fuji isn't), sharp, fast, beautiful! Mine goes 16-20mm 2f, 20-23 2.2f, 24-32/33mm 2.5f and 33-50mm 2.8f. It is like having an 24/28/30 prime with 2f, for starters.

What else do you need? People's experiences vary greatly.

What I missed for an almost perfect camera?

1) punch in focus, the ability to zoom in to the image to check your focus while recording. Just a software omission. With that said, I noticed that the screen is super sharp and bright, so you can judge focus brilliantly, and focus peaking is working amazingly (must be, because most of my shots are in focus!). I bought an SmallHD Focus though and from now on I will be using that too (I am getting old I guess!). The 5" is a perfect size to compose your shot, 7" is too much/too big/too heavy and 3.something" is too small most of the times.

2) better ISO in video and NR algorithms. 3200 is a shame, but rarely a problem. Shooting in the dark is a wrong approach to start with (always look for the light sources, or use faster lenses), but still, it is a shame to a brilliant hybrid camera.

3) as I like to shoot wide, I would like something like an 10-22mm S lens. The 12-24 is brilliant, cheap, small and light, but I would prefer an even better one, with OIS and starting from 2f a la 16-50S. The 16-50S (which is almost 24-25mm) is good enough for most indoor wide shoots, and outside I use the 12-24.

These are my issues, not deal brakers for me.

For me personally, I will be waiting a little bit more to check the market. The new Fuji X-H1 is a dissapointment, worst than NX1 in most aspects (especially the video limits, lack of headphone output on the body, size/weight, etc), so it is not that the market is saturated with super capable hybrid cameras.

EDIT: Ibis, is another wrong approach. People believe (especially young ones, or ones coming strictly from photography) that IBIS is a panacea, solve all the problems, together with 138293414 ISO is everything. I did not enjoy GH5 IBIS. When I shoot, I want tripod shoot, monopod, gimbal, whatever it takes, IBIS is not a solution for all of those. It is wrong structurally and methodologically. The prove is GH5s, the newer and most video centric camera in the market right now has no IBIS for a few reasons.

GH5s, is the one I eye. Definitely a better video camera than the GH5.

After re-reading all the great posts in this thread, I keep returning back and re-reading Kisha's above. Obvious most are professional Photographers/Videographers, where as me; full time Software Engineer. Thanks all, thank you Kashsa, leaned a great deal from above post.
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I am glad I helped even a little bit! I use a lot of equipment per year and every year I do wonder if it is time to abandon ship, and every year I do not. I am brand agnostic, and I would switch immediately if I believed on a different system, but I do not - yet.

I wouldn't worry for the next couple of years that much. Even the new Canon Eos M50 is a good deal worst than the NX1, and the Eos M system has 7(!) lenses. Maybe staying with one system longer, is a better financial advice. The new Canon is said to have a NEW 24mgpxls sensor, so it seems that the APS-C sensors have plateaued on that resolution.

4 years later NX is the only APS-C BSI sensor, and with the highest megapixel count. Of course that doesn't mean much - I would be the first to say that such a small difference in resolution is not very important - but the fact that a camera from 2014 has these 2 unique features is pretty significant.

I would like to add a couple (or 3) more things,

1) Ibis: the stabilization method one uses, is critical for the aesthetics of a project, or even a meaningful naration tool that shows e.g agony/panic/dream like situations/calm e.t.c

A tripod shot can not be replaced by IBIS, and I see more and more people (professionals) to get lazy, and do not bother with their tripods/monopods.

BUT, NX1 has DIS, and coupled with OIS of some lenses (even the PZ is very good stabilized!) can offer Dual IS, which is sufficient in a lot of situations. I am not against IBIS, I am against the overuse of it, and frankly, I do not like the aesthetics of it (for video, photography is another thing, that is why Olympus has the best IBIS in business).

2) High ISO: it is called photography = light writing = write with light, it is not scotography = dark writing = write with darkness. You can not "write", or "paint" - like some masters of the art of film and video do, with darkness. Darkness is your night canvas - you need light to form your art, and total whiteness, is your day canvas - you need shadows.

Nothing at all shot on 1.000.000 ISO, will be nothing at all at 1.000.000 ISO.

Having a kid in the 18th century, trying to read with an oil lamp, while his family is sleeping, doesn't need 1.000.000ISO, you have 2 lighting sources already, the oil lamp (which it could be a small LED light for cheap) and probably the moon light, or light from a lamp outside the house (which needs a better LED light, that can be had for 400euros or similar, these days), or go closer to the kids face, and with 2 small/cheap led lights you can light your scene.

Examine your scene (whatever it is) and search for light sources Even if you want to film your friends on your living room watching a horror film in absolute darkness, try to capture the leak of light from the screen to their faces. Zoom in. Even with a low light camera a wide shot of a bunch of people would be boring. Limitations some times are creative and lead the way to your narrative.

3) sound is very important in moving images! Buy a Rode VideoMicro for cheap, or a Sennheiser MKH440 for good stereo sound.

The language of the still and moving images is written a lot of decades ago, and the classic rules still apply, and probably will always be.

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