Who understands Olympus prices?

gary0319 wrote:

samtheman2014 wrote:

gary0319 wrote:

samtheman2014 wrote:

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Pixnat2 wrote:

gary0319 wrote:

Pixnat2 wrote:

So, Olympus entry level camera comes with a "long in the tooth" 16Mpix sensor and a built-in battery and its so-so kit zoom for a whooping price of 699E.

Just after Fuji released its entry level camera with a "state of art" 24Mpix APS-C and phase+contrast detect AF and a OIS lens for 599E

And with the similarly speced GX850 selling for 450-500E with a much better kit lens.

And a Canon 24 Mpix APS-C M100 + kit lens at an introductory price of 599E

Difficult to understand what makes the E-PL9 so expensive?yy

Any idea?

It is what is. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Not trying to be snarky but your opening paragraph set the tone here.

I'm not the target of this camera, but I'm a former Olympus owner and a potential Olympus customer.

It seems that Olympus is pushing prices recently, and that they do it even with their entry-level products.

Some people will by the most expensive, because it is the most expensive. So for those folks Olympus would be a logical choice. Not a bad market to target, while the competition is slugging it out in the trenches

With so much competition in each segment, it's difficult to understand.

I'm sure that Olympus understands quite well.

Suppose you are a P&S user willing to upgrade : would you chose a cheaper X-A5 with top-class IQ or a more expensive E-PL9 with an outdated sensor?

Just because the camera may have 16mpx does not necessarily mean it is outdated. Maybe a new generation of 16mpx sensors from Sony that include technology not previously offered?? Not all 16mpx sensors are 5 years old. Hell, the 20 mpx Sony sensor in my E-M1 II is not the same as the one in my Pen F.......or,

I suspect that all the 20mp cameras share the same base sensor with the differentiating factors down to what the respective makers wanted as features such as the PDAF layer on the E-M1II . So while technically they may well be labelled as "unique" sensors the near identical RAW results other than minor processing differences suggests a common parent sensor.There are now 6cameras with the 20mp sensor { GX8,PEN F, E-M1II, G9 ,GH5 and YIM1 } one would have hoped had they been 6 brand new design sensors that there would have been some major differences in RAW output which alas is not the case

I don't recall the reference site, but the model number of the Sony sensor for the Pen F is different than the one for the E-M1 II. Perhaps it is only the PDAF layer, but as one who owns and regularly shoots both, I can tell you I wish the sensor in my Pen F was the same as the one in my E-M1 II .......even without the PDAF.

Other than the PDAF layer on the E-M1II I can see no worthwhile difference between the E-M1II and PEN F RAW files regarding image quality. The results for all intents are identical with the miniscule differences easily explained by processing such as the NR built-in to E-M1 II RAW files http://mikepasini.com/corners/2016/11/02-first-impression-M1II/index.htm

RAW samples ,same lighting, same exposure ,same ISO, same shutter speeds and essentially zero difference be it base ISO or high ISO

If you have some definitive prof that they are the same........bring it on, I'll eat my words.

No as I said they are indeed "labelled as "unique" sensors" it just seems odd that from a RAW perspective other than tiny differences due largely to in-camera processing the results are all but identical on a range of 6 cameras from three different makers. Perhaps you could point me towards some RAW files that show definitive proof that the E-M1II sensor is markedly better than the PEN F

Well, I own and shoot both, and I see a difference (not necessarily better, but different) I don’t have to rely on someone else’s example. I’m simply reporting what I see. Now if you own both and you don’t see any difference than I suppose we should compare our experiences. Otherwise anything further is pointless.

I assumed by your declaration "I can tell you I wish the sensor in my Pen F was the same as the one in my E-M1 II" that you thought the E-M1 II was better hence your wish.  Unless your cameras have different sensors  from the hundreds of RAW samples from both cameras taken in reasonably controlled circumstances by various review sites there is no need to own both to determine that any RAW differences are largely inconsequential

Base ISO

High ISO minimal differences due to in-camera processing

And most depressingly of all for me as a low ISO shooter where shadow DR really matters the poor shadow noise when pushed is a constant across all m43 cameras

As for the difference between the 16mp since the E-M5 they are fractional at best no matter where you compare .

Base ISO

High ISO

I'll bet, the one in the GX8, or G9. So ,I'll bet that if the new E-M5 III comes with a 16mpx sensor, it will not be anywhere close to the ones that preceded it, and certainly not outdated.

But, if one only buys on megapixel count and/or price, they might well be disappointed.

And if you want m4/3 badly, Panasonic has very competitive cameras.

Strange...

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