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bill jones · Sep 10, 2003

just out of curiosity a total non-scientific poll ?

How many people who have found issues with the autofocus issues are Nikon switch-overs?

I am having focus issues and for the last 15 years all my slr cameras have been nikon

fell in love with canon after buying a digital elfh camera i thought the functional design of these point and shoot cameras is pure genius especially being a previous digital nikon user.

weirdrob · Sep 10, 2003

bill jones said:
just out of curiosity a total non-scientific poll ?
How many people who have found issues with the autofocus issues are
Nikon switch-overs?
I am having focus issues and for the last 15 years all my slr
cameras have been nikon
fell in love with canon after buying a digital elfh camera i
thought the functional design of these point and shoot cameras is
pure genius especially being a previous digital nikon user.

Bill, I couldn't resisit...

I have no focus issues with my 10D and I switched over from Nikon...

but, I have to admit that it is a S2 "black dial" that I still shoot on occassion.

I guess a Nikon S2 doesn't count, though. Oh, well.

Where are you? I'd like to shoot your camera with my lenses.
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eshropshire · Sep 10, 2003

Bill,

Sorry to hear about your AF problem. Can I guess looking at your picts you are from California, and then say the Bay area?

I think Rob has a good idea, don't know if he is close to you, but maybe someone else on the forum will be close enough to where you can try two cameras and see the results.

Ed

weirdrob said:
bill jones said:

just out of curiosity a total non-scientific poll ?
How many people who have found issues with the autofocus issues are
Nikon switch-overs?
I am having focus issues and for the last 15 years all my slr
cameras have been nikon
fell in love with canon after buying a digital elfh camera i
thought the functional design of these point and shoot cameras is
pure genius especially being a previous digital nikon user.

Click to expand...

Bill, I couldn't resisit...

I have no focus issues with my 10D and I switched over from Nikon...
but, I have to admit that it is a S2 "black dial" that I still
shoot on occassion.

I guess a Nikon S2 doesn't count, though. Oh, well.

Where are you? I'd like to shoot your camera with my lenses.
--
Rob Wierman
http://www.pbase.com/weirdrob/001_10d

--
Ed
http://www.cbrycelea.com/photos/Index.html Old Pictures

bill jones · Sep 10, 2003

i am from the midwest

Group Idiot · Sep 10, 2003

bill jones said:
just out of curiosity a total non-scientific poll ?
How many people who have found issues with the autofocus issues are
Nikon switch-overs?

...and while the 10D has other a number of issues I don't particularly like, focus isn't one of them for me.

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bill jones · Sep 10, 2003

please see my other post for detailed history

but in short my camera severly backfocused with 50mm lens sent in for repair without the lens here is the result this pic was taken wide open with 50mm lens i was focusing on the 7
http://www.pbase.com/image/21220762/original
i have used the 50mm lens without any problems since may

bought the 1740L and started to notice focus issues again with back focusing so i redid the tets using the 17-40L again focusing on the 7
http://www.pbase.com/image/21220779/original
i have real world examples which i will look for and if i have time try to post

bill jones · Sep 10, 2003

let me clarify

both test were performed in the same conditions at the same time after the 4 months after the first repair.

i can't seem to find th eimages of the 50mm lens before the repair but i did post them at the time on this web site at that time the 50mm lens back focused
remember the 50mm lens was not sent for service just the body.

bill jones · Sep 10, 2003

would you switch back to nikon if they released a slightly upgraded version of the D100

Group Idiot · Sep 10, 2003

bill jones said:
would you switch back to nikon if they released a slightly upgraded
version of the D100

The D100 is still a better overall "field camera" than the 10D, hands down. The real reason I switched was because of the long, stabilized Canon primes -- ie: the 500/4L IS or 600/4L IS -- and the ubiquity of USM in even the most lowly prime like the 50/1.4 or 100/2.8 Macro.

It was all about the lenses. If Nikon were more competitively priced and had VR in their long primes I never would've left. I'm "living with" the 10D until the 1D replacement arrives. I rented a 1D for a couple of weeks, but it lacks a couple of things and could benefit from some improvements to its "aging" design that kept me from jumping on it.

At $5,000 - $5,500 I would jump on a 1Ds instead.

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eshropshire · Sep 10, 2003

Bill,

I don't doubt you have a problem. You have enought experience to show that from your work. I do think shooting with another local user might be helpful.

If you are going to send the camera into Canon I would recommend sending in both lenses or you might get it just to be calibrated for one lens. I have heard of people sending them with just the 70-200 f4 lens (known to BF a lot) and now all their lenses FF except the 70-200.

Sorry you have the problem. Yes I do get a little on about the AF, but I think a lot SLR newbies just don't know how to use the camera.

Ed

bill jones said:
let me clarify
both test were performed in the same conditions at the same time
after the 4 months after the first repair.
i can't seem to find th eimages of the 50mm lens before the repair
but i did post them at the time on this web site at that time the
50mm lens back focused
remember the 50mm lens was not sent for service just the body.

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http://www.cbrycelea.com/photos/Index.html Old Pictures

bill jones · Sep 10, 2003

if i shoot mostly with zoom lenses such as th 24-70L would i be better off with the nikon obvious with their lens equivalent
some people have told me the nikon lenses have better contrast
just wondering your thought
i will probably wait to switch back until nikon produces an equal to the 1ds

bill jones · Sep 10, 2003

canon told me to return the 17-40L and send the camera back with the 50 even though i don't have a problem with the 50?

ps i will try to pot some more pics showing how great the canon 10D is when its working

auroraproject · Sep 10, 2003

....and I have no focus problems.
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eshropshire · Sep 10, 2003

Not sure I would want to send it in again if it works with the 50.

Is there a shop close to you that rents lenses. You might want to try a few first and just see the results. If you have a nice dealer close by they might even let you try a few lenses in their shop.

Ed

bill jones said:
canon told me to return the 17-40L and send the camera back with
the 50 even though i don't have a problem with the 50?
ps i will try to pot some more pics showing how great the canon 10D
is when its working

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http://www.cbrycelea.com/photos/Index.html Old Pictures

Victor Engel · Sep 10, 2003

bill jones said:
please see my other post for detailed history
but in short my camera severly backfocused with 50mm lens sent in
for repair without the lens here is the result this pic was taken
wide open with 50mm lens i was focusing on the 7
http://www.pbase.com/image/21220762/original
i have used the 50mm lens without any problems since may
bought the 1740L and started to notice focus issues again with back
focusing so i redid the tets using the 17-40L again focusing on the
7
http://www.pbase.com/image/21220779/original
i have real world examples which i will look for and if i have time
try to post

Where did the registration marks come from? I notice one is missing on the 50mm photo, unless the ones showing there are placed off-center, in which case your perfect photo is not so perfect.

Or, maybe it's just a cropped image.

Group Idiot · Sep 11, 2003

bill jones said:
if i shoot mostly with zoom lenses such as th 24-70L would i be
better off with the nikon obvious with their lens equivalent
some people have told me the nikon lenses have better contrast
just wondering your thought

That's really more on a lens-by-lens basis. Both companies make some sterling optics that are better than the other, and I would rate Canon's 24-70/2.8L a hair above Nikon's "aging" 28-70/2.8 AF-S, with the exception of the finish and the blasted hood! (I really, really hate the hood attachment on Canon's lens). Canon has still failed to produce a quality W/A zoom comparable to the equivalent Nikkors, even though their 17-40/4L is a nice piece and comes closer than anything to date (the 16-35 is a dog). Nikon's new 70-200/2.8 VR AFS is a notch above Canon's equivalent, older 70-200/2.8L IS. But it's really the long teles that give Canon a considerable advantage for me personally.

bill jones said:
i will probably wait to switch back until nikon produces an equal
to the 1ds

I still prefer Nikon's bodies, and the D100 to a 10D for almost every purpose, but I'm anxiously waiting to see what Canon comes out with for a 1D replacement. I can adjust to the quirky differences in functionality as long as it has what I'm looking for. If the 1D successor is what it is rumored to be: 8MP, 1.3x, 25+ frame buffer, better AWB, image zoom and auto-rotation, low noise CMOS with no banding, slightly more aggressive AA filter to help with moire, etc -- then I may become a Canonian for life, though I can't help my deep-rooted affinity for the Yellow & Black.

We shall see.

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bill jones · Sep 11, 2003

Thanks for the info

Group Idiot said:
bill jones said:

if i shoot mostly with zoom lenses such as th 24-70L would i be
better off with the nikon obvious with their lens equivalent
some people have told me the nikon lenses have better contrast
just wondering your thought

Click to expand...

That's really more on a lens-by-lens basis. Both companies make
some sterling optics that are better than the other, and I would
rate Canon's 24-70/2.8L a hair above Nikon's "aging" 28-70/2.8
AF-S, with the exception of the finish and the blasted hood! (I
really, really hate the hood attachment on Canon's lens). Canon has
still failed to produce a quality W/A zoom comparable to the
equivalent Nikkors, even though their 17-40/4L is a nice piece and
comes closer than anything to date (the 16-35 is a dog). Nikon's
new 70-200/2.8 VR AFS is a notch above Canon's equivalent, older
70-200/2.8L IS. But it's really the long teles that give Canon a
considerable advantage for me personally.

Group Idiot said:

i will probably wait to switch back until nikon produces an equal
to the 1ds

Click to expand...

I still prefer Nikon's bodies, and the D100 to a 10D for almost
every purpose, but I'm anxiously waiting to see what Canon comes
out with for a 1D replacement. I can adjust to the quirky
differences in functionality as long as it has what I'm looking
for. If the 1D successor is what it is rumored to be: 8MP, 1.3x,
25+ frame buffer, better AWB, image zoom and auto-rotation, low
noise CMOS with no banding, slightly more aggressive AA filter to
help with moire, etc -- then I may become a Canonian for life,
though I can't help my deep-rooted affinity for the Yellow & Black.

We shall see.

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