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My friend told me if I buy a DSLR, I "have to" spend a lot of time editing most of the pics or the pics will look a lot worse than prosumer DC. Is that true?

(Maybe pics from prosumer DC don't look natural. But I don't want to spend time editing "most" of the pics.)

Thanks
 
Well, it's not so black-white as your friend told you.
It all depends on:

1. what you want to achieve
2. if it's for an album or poster or.....
3. if your a perfectionist
4. how many times your "on your way" with your cam.
5. you can find easy 5 other point here....

As a rule: the better the body and lenses, the better are your pictures without doing extra thing as postprocessing.
whung7 said:
My friend told me if I buy a DSLR, I "have to" spend a lot of time
editing most of the pics or the pics will look a lot worse than
prosumer DC. Is that true?

(Maybe pics from prosumer DC don't look natural. But I don't want
to spend time editing "most" of the pics.)

Thanks
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Arno
 
Thanks for your reply.

Ok. If I didn't do any postprocessing with 300D, will the pic look better (or a lot better) than prosumer DC?
arno said:
1. what you want to achieve
2. if it's for an album or poster or.....
3. if your a perfectionist
4. how many times your "on your way" with your cam.
5. you can find easy 5 other point here....

As a rule: the better the body and lenses, the better are your
pictures without doing extra thing as postprocessing.
whung7 said:
My friend told me if I buy a DSLR, I "have to" spend a lot of time
editing most of the pics or the pics will look a lot worse than
prosumer DC. Is that true?

(Maybe pics from prosumer DC don't look natural. But I don't want
to spend time editing "most" of the pics.)

Thanks
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Arno
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Don't underestimate the effort it takes to do good noise reduction. I think Neat Image does a better job than the Photoshop actions I have seen, but it takes a good amount of time to work on a large file. Having a relatively noise free image to me is going to be the biggest improvement in my workflow. Yes!! (high-fives self) - m²
Ron Parr said:
Assuming properly exposed shots,

This was my workflow with my Sony S85:

Correct colors , reduce noise, adjust size, sharpen.

This is my workflow with my D60:

Correct colors, adjust size, sharpen.

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Ron Parr
FAQ: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~parr/photography/faq.html
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/parr/
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whung7 said:
Ok. If I didn't do any postprocessing with 300D, will the pic look
better (or a lot better) than prosumer DC?
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I think so. Most of the people who buy a dSLR buy one because they think so, too. But it depends what your idea of "better" is; the 300D with a good lens gives sharp, detailed images because that's how it works. A prosumer digicam gives images that look sharp because the camera processed them quite a bit. It looks artificial, but a lot of people like that look.

You can do a quick once-over on the 300D to get very good image quality, a lot easier than on the prosumer cam.

Here's an example of what my D60 can do without any processing, although it looks better after running through Photoshop:









 
Hello whung7!
whung7 said:
My friend told me if I buy a DSLR, I "have to" spend a lot of time
editing most of the pics or the pics will look a lot worse than
prosumer DC. Is that true?
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I don't usually post much here, but I can see what your friend is coming from. But... you get out of your prints what you put into it. I have an Sony F717 upgraded from an F707 prior to that. I can't remember a single picture that I haven't, in some way, postprocessed. I have seen some people claim some the P&S Canons and the Fuji's give great results straight from the camera (jpegs), but the reality is that in order to make the picture really "pop," some post-processing is in order.

To that end, a camera that will give the latitude to allow for in-camera process or no processing will give you the best of both worlds. In other words, if you want fast in camera processing, leave the 300D in parameter 1 and print away. If you want to do more processing or your own work, try parameter 2 (closer to 10D settings) or RAW. The reason to do more processing is for more control over exposure, compression, noise, etc.

I find that my major hindrance to my current workflow is NOISE (including artifacts from in-camera sharpening), and because of that, my pictures are maxxing out for sharpness at 8 X 10 size (even with a Sony 5 megapixel sensor). With a cleaner picture to start with, you can take your pictures further in print size and postprocessing.

Regards,

K

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http://home.comcast.net/~khilleg/Columbia_Gorge_Waterfalls.htm
 
Kevin H said:
Kevin H said:
editing most of the pics or the pics will look a lot worse than
prosumer DC. Is that true?
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For all what is says here... I can only extend an illustration about sensor size for you and your FRIEND... SHOW him that pic, and ask - how he can resolve that sensor size difference, OK? :)



If you get 300D - your post-processing time is inversely-proportional to time you spend to take photos
If you take care about:
1. Composition,
2. Proper Exposure,
3. Exaxt Focus,
4. DOP,
5. Color balance -
you can get a perfect photo with very little or NO post-processing at all ! :)
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I never learn English... but I'm a speechifier so much that I can't stop myself even in unfamiliar language... :)
 
I think it depends on your standards. If you want pictures that really "pop" you will need to do some post processing. There is a good article in the August issue of Outdoor Photography call "The Blacks Have It", on pg 20. I think this does a good job talking about doing some very simple editing on digital photos to make them pop.

When I am doing some really quick editing on a lot of pictures I like Thumbs+. Not the most graceful way but it does them quick.

Ed
Kevin H said:
Kevin H said:
My friend told me if I buy a DSLR, I "have to" spend a lot of time
editing most of the pics or the pics will look a lot worse than
prosumer DC. Is that true?
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I don't usually post much here, but I can see what your friend is
coming from. But... you get out of your prints what you put into
it. I have an Sony F717 upgraded from an F707 prior to that. I
can't remember a single picture that I haven't, in some way,
postprocessed. I have seen some people claim some the P&S Canons
and the Fuji's give great results straight from the camera (jpegs),
but the reality is that in order to make the picture really "pop,"
some post-processing is in order.

To that end, a camera that will give the latitude to allow for
in-camera process or no processing will give you the best of both
worlds. In other words, if you want fast in camera processing,
leave the 300D in parameter 1 and print away. If you want to do
more processing or your own work, try parameter 2 (closer to 10D
settings) or RAW. The reason to do more processing is for more
control over exposure, compression, noise, etc.

I find that my major hindrance to my current workflow is NOISE
(including artifacts from in-camera sharpening), and because of
that, my pictures are maxxing out for sharpness at 8 X 10 size
(even with a Sony 5 megapixel sensor). With a cleaner picture to
start with, you can take your pictures further in print size and
postprocessing.

Regards,

K

--
http://home.comcast.net/~khilleg/Columbia_Gorge_Waterfalls.htm
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Ed
http://www.cbrycelea.com/photos/Index.html Old Pictures
 
Forrest said:
Forrest41926 said:
If you get 300D - your post-processing time is
inversely-proportional to time you spend to take photos
If you take care about:
[...]
you can get a perfect photo with very little or NO post-processing
at all ! :)
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I agree whole-heartedly with this.
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:)
How many of us will agree of Composition on the FIRST place in that order? :)
1. Composition,
2. Proper Exposure,
3. Exaxt Focus,
4. DOP,
5. Color balance -



??? :)
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http://www.sergesmart.com

I never learn English... but I'm a speechifier so much that I can't stop myself even in unfamiliar language... :)
 
whung7 said:
My friend told me if I buy a DSLR, I "have to" spend a lot of time
editing most of the pics or the pics will look a lot worse than
prosumer DC. Is that true?

(Maybe pics from prosumer DC don't look natural. But I don't want
to spend time editing "most" of the pics.)
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I think that this is why the default settings on the 300D provide a little bit more sharpening and color saturation than say the default on a 10D.

It shoulld make it so the out of the camera jpegs on the 300D will look more like what some prosumer digicams look like.

But there are other settings available on the 300D that will mimic settings on say a 10D, which have less sharpening, etc and to some eyes look a bit soft.

Soooo, using those default settings on a 300D may give you results similar to the prosumer digicam...:-)

Miscellaneous A70 pics
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bdolson/a70/a70.html
Sincerely, Bob the Printer
 
I thought so, but not true. I shot my G3 along side a 10D one weekend that I rented from a pro-rental place I use. The results were clear. The DSLR compelled me to go to photoshop quite often to make it better; however, the identical shots from the prosumer were not as good. The color, and other aspects needed more tweaking...period!

I think most people just don't know how to use their dslr well and complain a lot during their learning curve. And during that time they may live in P.S. But, it doesn't have to be. I think the people that get a quick hang of the cameras find very quickly that they give better and more consistant results, where it counts.

This is my experience and I love the little prosumer cams.

Steve J.
whung7 said:
My friend told me if I buy a DSLR, I "have to" spend a lot of time
editing most of the pics or the pics will look a lot worse than
prosumer DC. Is that true?

(Maybe pics from prosumer DC don't look natural. But I don't want
to spend time editing "most" of the pics.)

Thanks
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Iif you don't want to post-process, simply dial up all the in-camera processing parameters on a dSLR. You will get equally good pics as consumer digicams. However, if you want to realize the full potential of a DSLR, you should shoot with minimal in-camera processing and post-process yourself. You will find the results are far more pleasing than any consumer digicam can produce.
whung7 said:
My friend told me if I buy a DSLR, I "have to" spend a lot of time
editing most of the pics or the pics will look a lot worse than
prosumer DC. Is that true?

(Maybe pics from prosumer DC don't look natural. But I don't want
to spend time editing "most" of the pics.)

Thanks
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