Cameras are way out of price reach for just about everyone.

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Years ago (I am 60 so I'm going back many years), cameras were affordable. It seems to me that nowadays, cameras are totally out of the price range for just about everyone unless you are willing to rack up your credit card debt sky high. Included is the price of lenses and accessories as well.

Camera manufacturers need to get back to the basics of affordable products. Even smartphones are now priced out of reach for most folk.

The demise of camera manufacturers will come from pricing themselves out of business.
 
You're kidding, right?
 
There were affordable cameras, but once everyone's cellphone had a camera on it, those didn't sell anymore. The consumer compact camera died and did indeed damage the camera manufacturers quite a bit.
 
You should see the prices here in the UK, those in the USA in comparison are dirt cheap.

his link may show what we have to pay if you can get the link where you are

 
There were affordable cameras, but once everyone's cellphone had a camera on it, those didn't sell anymore. The consumer compact camera died and did indeed damage the camera manufacturers quite a bit.
Affordable point-and-shoot cameras are still for sale. People choose not to buy them.
 
Not so. If you are willing to buy an older camera secondhand or refurbished, you can buy the latest and greatest from several years ago for much, much less than that sky high introductory price. Secondhand lenses too, of course.

You certainly don't have to go into debt to have a good camera, as long as you don't let your ego insist on having the "best of everything", including the very latest technology.
 
Digital SLRs are less expensive to buy and use than film SLRs ever were.

Top-of-the-line smartphones are pretty expensive, that's true. So don't buy one. Get a nice camera instead, plus a regular cell phone, and still have cash left.

Software is less expensive than ever, and there are more high-quality free choices than ever. Computers, similarly, have really come down in price while hardware requirements have stayed fairly stable, meaning computers last longer without needing to upgrade.

Point-and-shoot cameras and bridge cameras are readily available at reasonable prices.
 
It seems to me that nowadays, cameras are totally out of the price range for just about everyone unless you are willing to rack up your credit card debt sky high. Included is the price of lenses and accessories as well.
You are wrong. Most people use their cellphone as camera. Everyone can afford a smartphone today. People have more cameras and use it more than 60 years ago.
Camera manufacturers need to get back to the basics of affordable products.
They won't, because people won't buy them.
Even smartphones are now priced out of reach for most folk.
Newly released iPhones do, but you can have a basic one basically for free, and find some very good smartphones under $200
The demise of camera manufacturers will come from pricing themselves out of business.
You see the problem from the wrong side.
 
It may feel that way, but I don't think it is accurate. The Nikon S2 with 50mm lens was $345 in 1950, accounting for inflation that is $2724.00. That was not their top of the line camera. (I pulled this information from CNN money and SLR lounge as info)

I think it is all relative of course. The reason I couldn't make a serious go at photography as a young man was the cost fo film, and printing. Digital has freed many of us who do not have resources to buy the latest unobtanium model each year.

The D850 is a high cost object, but a used D810 is a bargain comparatively speaking. When one considers the used market which is flush with great cameras the value proposition is tremendous. In the past people didn't let their equipment go as quickly they held on to it and focused on their skill, it seems like that is no longer the case (myself included).
 
Years ago (I am 60 so I'm going back many years), cameras were affordable. It seems to me that nowadays, cameras are totally out of the price range for just about everyone unless you are willing to rack up your credit card debt sky high. Included is the price of lenses and accessories as well.
There are now, as there have always been, cameras that are well within the reach of anyone. These fall into two groups:

First, film cameras. The used bodies are available very cheaply - less in the nominal price when new and much less than the inflation-adjusted price when new. Used lens are not so cheap because they are also in demand for use with adapters on mirrorless cameras - but there are still plenty of cheap ones around. There is, of course, a big drawback to film cameras - on top of paying for the body and lens you also have to keep buying film and getting prints made.

Second, digital cameras. A couple of years ago I bought my granddaughter a small camera with fixed zoom lens for £50. Inflation-adjusted that's far, far cheaper than the purchase price of a basic film camera from years back and she doesn't need to buy films.

A few years after buying my first digital camera with simple kit zoom lens I totted up the cost of my film photography over the 40 or so previous years. Adjusted for inflation I'd spent a lot more than the digital kit cost me. I'm in my 70s and can afford to buy high quality cameras and lenses so that's no longer true but it's my choice - if I'd stuck with the basic kit my photography would be cheaper than it ever was with film.
Camera manufacturers need to get back to the basics of affordable products. Even smartphones are now priced out of reach for most folk.
That depends what you mean by "most". If you count the billions of really poor people round the world its true, but look at any newsreel footage of anywhere in the world and you'll see no shortage of camera phones.

Photography (other than as an add-on to a different device) has always been a relative luxury; nothing is different now than in my youth. At that time - as now - there was a wide range from relatively cheap to ferociously expensive photographic gear.
The demise of camera manufacturers will come from pricing themselves out of business.
The hardware costs are relatively fixed for cameras of comparable size; so taking all the software options out would barely affect the cost of manufacture. It would, though, reduce the attractiveness of the cameras to may buyers so sales would drop and unit prices would rise - in other words, things would be less affordable. That's how the makers would price themselves out of business.
 
Years ago (I am 60 so I'm going back many years), cameras were affordable. It seems to me that nowadays, cameras are totally out of the price range for just about everyone unless you are willing to rack up your credit card debt sky high. Included is the price of lenses and accessories as well.

Camera manufacturers need to get back to the basics of affordable products. Even smartphones are now priced out of reach for most folk.

The demise of camera manufacturers will come from pricing themselves out of business.
At the moment, no, but things may be changing. My first SLR, many years ago, a second-hand Praktica with 50mm lens, cost about a month's salary. After that, of course there was film, development and printing to pay for. I paid about £300 for my new Pentax DSLR with 2 lenses about 2 years ago - can't remember the exact price; that's the sterling equivalent of what I paid in Euros and it was a discontinued model. Of course if I'd gone for the latest and greatest I could have paid a lot more, but even so.....

However it looks to me like prices are going to go up as manufacturers 'align themselves' to the shrinking market, concentrate on the expensive high-profit margin models and so on, so maybe in a few years time I'd agree.

As far as P&S cameras are concerned though things are a bit of a mess. With so many people using their phones instead - but then if one considers cameras in phones as part of the camera market it all looks rosy!
 
It`s not normal to pay 500-1000 usd on a phone. It`s not normal to pay 700 dollars on a camera that breaks after you drop it from half a meter high. Electronics in general are not necessarily more expensive, but they sure last less. A digital camera is probably 10 times more likely to break than a film camera. This means more money out of pocket and shorter service life.

On the other hand, it`s very easy today to find and buy used camera equipment online.

So i can`t really complain. I spent 65 dollars on my minty olympus E500 with a very nice zuiko kit lens, what`s not to like? 100 dollars/euros/gbp can get you pretty far if you are on a budget. 200 dollars translates into a canon 40D and a tamron 17-50mm f2.8 or a 50D with canon 50mm f1.8. These are perfectly good combos even in 2017.

And to be perfectly honest, most people on this planet can`t even afford a 12 year-old dslr, or can`t get one in their area. I have learned to be grateful for what i have.
 
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think about it.

I saw people shoot with an iPad.
 
Years ago (I am 60 so I'm going back many years), cameras were affordable. It seems to me that nowadays, cameras are totally out of the price range for just about everyone unless you are willing to rack up your credit card debt sky high. Included is the price of lenses and accessories as well.

Camera manufacturers need to get back to the basics of affordable products. Even smartphones are now priced out of reach for most folk.

The demise of camera manufacturers will come from pricing themselves out of business.
I am 59 and can recall the days a decent family camera was under $200.00 and a great landline phone with answering machine was around a 100.00 to 200.00. But if you factor in cost of living I am not sure prices are all that bad.

In 1986 the Pro Model Canon F1 was around 900.00 dollars body only. And the enthusiast Canon AE1 Program was around 350.00 body only.

Almost everything under the sun has at least doubled in cost since 1986. Maybe it is the pros who are getting their wallets and purses taken for a ride with 5000.00 to 7000,00 plus dollar cameras, But 700.00 to 1000.00 dollars seems in line for a enthusiast camera if you factor in cost of living.
 
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Years ago (I am 60 so I'm going back many years), cameras were affordable. It seems to me that nowadays, cameras are totally out of the price range for just about everyone unless you are willing to rack up your credit card debt sky high. Included is the price of lenses and accessories as well.

Camera manufacturers need to get back to the basics of affordable products. Even smartphones are now priced out of reach for most folk.

The demise of camera manufacturers will come from pricing themselves out of business.
My perception is pretty much the opposite - back in the 70s you could get a very inexpensive point-and-shoot, but the interchangeable lens cameras were very definitely aspirational because they were very expensive by comparison. My first film SLR was a Minolta x-570, with a 35-105 kit lens, and it was not cheap, even on a young engineer's salary. Today's D3K and Rebel series cameras offer tremendously more capability for around the same price, adjusted for inflation ($500 today = $200 in 1983). In 1990 I replaced that with a Canon EOS-10 and 2-lens kit - a great autofocus/autowinder SLR. It was about double the price, but it had 2 autofocus lenses, so that made sense. In 2006 I replaced that with my first DSLR, a D80 with an 18-105 lens, for $1300. That started a series of body replacements every 2 years, at around $1000-$1200, with steadily increasing capability, plus a couple of lenses.

So my impression is that enthusiast cameras have always been an expensive proposition, catering to the more well-to-do middle and upper class consumers. There aren't as many of the former these days as there were 30 years ago, and their disposable income has been further eroded by the other "Necessities" of modern life. The other thing that's happened is that there are more options for taking pictures conveniently these days. 30 years ago, you had really one choice: a single-purpose tool, the camera. Most folks don't care about the craft of photography and the tools that serve that craft; hence, even back then, point-and-shoots outsold ILCs by 20:1 or more.

Now, with smartphones being so "good enough", there's little reason for most folks to buy dedicated cameras - regardless of price; they're simply too much fuss and bother for a simple task - taking a picture (and then, most of the time, sharing it). In a diminishing market, the only recourse for companies deprived of their primary income stream - consumer point and shoots - is to focus on the highest end of the market, which can tolerate the expense of such low-volume products.

Smartphones, too, are experiencing the precursor of collapse - market saturation. Already the $200-$400 class phone is calling into question the need for the $1000 superphone, and you see most of the market growth in the lower price tiers. Camera manufacturers have already started down the cost reduction path with the introduction of mirrorless products - essentially, using what they learned with the digital point and shoot to make ILCs instead of highly mechanical tools. They may not be able to go as far down the Mooresean road with ILCs as phone manufacturers have been able to.
 
In 1983 a Minolta X700 with a single lens cost $475. It was a very good camera, not high-end but not the cheapest either. As far as comparing features with current cameras, the X700 is less functional than a D3400, Nikon's bottom-of-the-line.

A brand new Nikon D3400 with one lens costs $496 today (literally. I just checked prices). The Minolta X700, price adjusted for inflation, would cost $1,160 today.
 
With some newer cameras, more relevant than comparing film to digital, prices have gone down.

In April 2009 the D5000 was released with an msrp of $729. Adjusted for inflation, that's $843 today.

The msrp of the new D5600 is $796. Not only has the price come down, but it takes better pictures too. Much better.

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