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Bad experience on eBay - selling D810

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Janet Zinn said:
Well thank you for this thread, as I was about to list my 500G F4 VR on Ebay but now I am totally discouraged :) I've had both success and failure on Craigslist in the past, and I'd be hesitant to try and sell such a high-value item on CL--it would make me really nervous to meet a stranger, even in a safe spot, and exchange that much cash.

Another option is NikonCafe, there isn't that much traffic there but you never know. Or I might try Fred Miranda. Or I might just see what B&H or Adorama might give me...it will be less than a private sale, but I can walk it in (I'm in NY) and then decide.

Adorama actually gave me a decent enough amount recently for my 70-200 2.8 VR (Version 1), given what Ebay and Paypal fees would have been, it was very close and so much less hassle to just walk out with a check in 15 minutes!

Its a last resort, but there's KEH as well.

Anyway, good luck with your sale :)
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Update,

In order to be kept dragging me deeper into a futile dispute I issued a return label for the buyer this morning. I am eager to see in what state the camera will come back. If it is really screwed and I cannot get it working then I'll send it up to Nikon Canada for examination and might dispute the refund after that. This way I can get rid of a disturbing experience that have given me a few nights of bad sleep.

Yes, I'll lose some money but at least I can take it that it was "tuition fee" to get my first hard lesson with a buyer who was either dishonest or just a technically dumb and could not put to and two together when he got a D810 into his hands.

Best to all, AIK :-|
 
Janet Zinn said:
Well thank you for this thread, as I was about to list my 500G F4 VR on Ebay but now I am totally discouraged :) I've had both success and failure on Craigslist in the past, and I'd be hesitant to try and sell such a high-value item on CL--it would make me really nervous to meet a stranger, even in a safe spot, and exchange that much cash.
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You meet strangers inside your bank branch for buying and selling. They have cameras all over so it is safe. During initial messaging tell this to one you are meeting and if they refuse don't schedule the meeting. If you are buying you don't have cash on you. If you like the item you go to teller and withdraw the cash and if you are selling you go to the teller and deposit. Either way you will not have cash on you.
 
SushiEater said:
If you sold with no return accepted call Ebay and tell them that.
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Yeah right. Ebay does not care about "no return accepted," and ALWAYS favors the buyer in any dispute. Low-volume sellers with average ratings are most susceptible.
 
Antal I Kozma said:
Update,

In order to be kept dragging me deeper into a futile dispute I issued a return label for the buyer this morning. I am eager to see in what state the camera will come back. If it is really screwed and I cannot get it working then I'll send it up to Nikon Canada for examination and might dispute the refund after that. This way I can get rid of a disturbing experience that have given me a few nights of bad sleep.

Yes, I'll lose some money but at least I can take it that it was "tuition fee" to get my first hard lesson with a buyer who was either dishonest or just a technically dumb and could not put to and two together when he got a D810 into his hands.

Best to all, AIK :-|
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Hope it works out. And I think you need to re-evaluate keeping your D810. That and the D500 are an ideal combination of crop/FF gear that ANY sane Nikon shooter would die for.

Just because you haven't used it in awhile, doesn't mean it won't get used in the future.
 
Antal I Kozma said:
T O Shooter said:
Antal I Kozma said:
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No offence, but listing something on Ebay after the trouble you have with the 810 borders on stupidity. You have a very good chance of being stuck with the 810 rrefund

Curious - how much did you list the 500 at?

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Thanks TO,

Yes I am borderline stupid... :-) No offence has been taken, I know what you mean.

That said, I very much hope that if someone buys the lens then it will be a photographer of decent standing. All in all it would require someone with really bad intentions to "by" a professional big lens for screwing around only.

On the other hand, as my mother said when I was a young man, I am prone to be taken advantage of. It is the story of my life in a nutshell....... :-(

I listed the lens based on eBay suggestion. They see what the trend is for an item and know what it sells for. So I just left the "Buy it Now" price at the level they suggested. However, there is a best offer option available too. I'll see what happens, if none will buy the lens I am not going to cry since I still have a love affair with that lens. I may just sleep with it... ;-)

Here is the eBay link: www.ebay.com/itm/142544791810?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

If it does not work then just search Cameras and Photo for a 500mm Nikkor f4E FL lens.

I put this lens up on the DPReview "For Sale and Wanted" forum to with other items a while ago. Nobody bothered to ask, apart from a low balling dealer who wanted to have a "lot sale" for a quarter of any reasonable amount.

I hope that the lens will find its way to someone who actually want one original late model Nikkor 500mm and will appreciate it for what it is. I know, people will say "Sigma has abetter value". If that is the case then those folks obviously want a SIgma not a Nikkor, end of story.

Of course I am aware of the fees eBay and PayPal have, pirates and pickpockets as I described them once before. So, If it would come to a private sale outside of eBay the price would be as much less as the pickpocket's take.

Best, AIK
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It's too bad I'm not looking for a 500e. I don't have an issue hand holding my 500 f4VR so the spread between what I'd get for mine and what a used 500e sells for is too much for so little benefit. We're both in the GTA or close so it would have worked well.

I'd like a 600e, but don't know if I would spend what one would go for used.

Hope everything goes okay with the D810 return. I would fight it with Ebay if there's any damage or thousands of shots added to it. If it's just buyer stupidity, and there's nothing wrong with it, you should be able to get the equivalent of $1800 US here.
 
The same thing happened to me when I sold my Nikon D7000 years ago. The lady panicked and wanted to return the camera. I patiently walked her through the process of using the camera and resolved her concern so she eventually removed her return and I kept my 100% positive feedback.
 
T O Shooter said:
It's too bad I'm not looking for a 500e. I don't have an issue hand holding my 500 f4VR so the spread between what I'd get for mine and what a used 500e sells for is too much for so little benefit. We're both in the GTA or close so it would have worked well.

I'd like a 600e, but don't know if I would spend what one would go for used.

Hope everything goes okay with the D810 return. I would fight it with Ebay if there's any damage or thousands of shots added to it. If it's just buyer stupidity, and there's nothing wrong with it, you should be able to get the equivalent of $1800 US here.
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Double update,

The D810 is issue is still in the half way solved state. The latter message from the buyer is still that he might have figured out his problem, so that I just should "sit tight". I am sitting..... :-) Anyway, he still has not retracted his refund claim but did not follow up on sending the camera back with the shipping label I authorized. I assume that he is figuring everything out very slowly. Whatever he is up to will have to be resolved before the end of this month. The eBay return label expires then and the case will be shut down. Either way, we'll get a resolution.

Second development is a very positive one. As I mentioned in a previous post in this thread I listed my 500mm f4E FL Nikkor as well. As it turned out a member in good standing on this forum will get it by next weekend. The listing was not an auction but a "buy it or best offer" type that could be stopped any time. So I pulled it off sale and it will go to one of our long time contributor member. She will get good use out of it on her birding and safari trips. I am happy that this worked out well for both of us.

Best to all, AIK. :-)
 
Antal I Kozma said:
Double update,

The D810 is issue is still in the half way solved state. The latter message from the buyer is still that he might have figured out his problem, so that I just should "sit tight". I am sitting..... :-) Anyway, he still has not retracted his refund claim but did not follow up on sending the camera back with the shipping label I authorized. I assume that he is figuring everything out very slowly. Whatever he is up to will have to be resolved before the end of this month. The eBay return label expires then and the case will be shut down. Either way, we'll get a resolution.

Second development is a very positive one. As I mentioned in a previous post in this thread I listed my 500mm f4E FL Nikkor as well. As it turned out a member in good standing on this forum will get it by next weekend. The listing was not an auction but a "buy it or best offer" type that could be stopped any time. So I pulled it off sale and it will go to one of our long time contributor member. She will get good use out of it on her birding and safari trips. I am happy that this worked out well for both of us.

Best to all, AIK. :-)
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You'll lose the buy it now fee?
 
Antal I Kozma said:
Gentlemen,

I have recently sold my D810 on eBay, or so I thought. So here is my story.

I listed my D810 not because of the D850 craze but since I realized that I hardly used it since I purchased a D500. So I thought that it would not be a wise thing to hang onto it any longer.

The camera was in perfect working condition with slightly above 9000 images taken with it. It was a Canadian model from an authorized dealer. I sold it with a DSTE grip and three EN EL-15 batteries. Two Nikon ones and one DSTE. As a goodwill I reformatted a Transcend 34 GB 400x card and a Sandisk SD 34GB card that I used in the camera and enclosed those too. The package went for $1,800.00 on eBay which I was OK with.

I got a notification from eBay as of last night, Oct. 17th, saying that the buyer wants a refund since, after using the camera for a short while, it displays error messages and does not write to either of the cards. The fellow says that he put an SD card into the camera and it displays the same error as the CF card.

Well-well. I wonder if he reformatted the cards out of camera, maybe in a Windows PC. That might cause some malfunction. Anyhow, I am a seasoned Nikon user and I never would sell anything faulty. Furthermore, the D810 was happily recording images just a few days prior to the sale. Then I formatted the cards in camera, tested that everything worked, charged up the batteries, packaged it up extremely well and sent the box on its way.

I was somewhat happy that although I would not have a FF body any more at least someone else got a good deal and a good workhorse camera. What a disappointment. I sold the equipment with "no returns accepted" note in the auction. I did it because I didn't want someone getting it for testing only. I am not B&H, I am a photographer who took good care of the camera.

Anyway, I answered the fellow asking him to get the battery out of the camera then do a two button reset. Once it is done then format the cards again in the body. That is all I can suggest. However, I am, unsure if the buyer is a novice who screwed up or some other issue might have happened. All I know that I am in the limbo now and eBay may make me to accept a return so that I may end up with damaged goods, shipping fees and other fees lost.

Well, I had 33 positive experiences with eBay during the years, bot as seller and buyer. Now I may get my first lesson and reality check. I just should have given the camera to my grandson, he would not have filed for a return........

Best to all, AIK :-(

P.S.: I know that this is not the "Forum for Crying". However, It is related to a D810 and others might consider selling theirs on eBay too. Just be rather careful with it.......
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This has happened quite often where an Ebay buyer will purchase a camera/lens, get it and switch his old camera problem part with the new purchased camera part. He then states the new Ebay camera is defective and returns it. It's been an Ebay scam for many different items for a long time.

Bob P.
 
Antal I Kozma said:
Gentlemen,

I have recently sold my D810 on eBay, or so I thought. So here is my story.

I listed my D810 not because of the D850 craze but since I realized that I hardly used it since I purchased a D500. So I thought that it would not be a wise thing to hang onto it any longer.

The camera was in perfect working condition with slightly above 9000 images taken with it. It was a Canadian model from an authorized dealer. I sold it with a DSTE grip and three EN EL-15 batteries. Two Nikon ones and one DSTE. As a goodwill I reformatted a Transcend 34 GB 400x card and a Sandisk SD 34GB card that I used in the camera and enclosed those too. The package went for $1,800.00 on eBay which I was OK with.

I got a notification from eBay as of last night, Oct. 17th, saying that the buyer wants a refund since, after using the camera for a short while, it displays error messages and does not write to either of the cards. The fellow says that he put an SD card into the camera and it displays the same error as the CF card.

Well-well. I wonder if he reformatted the cards out of camera, maybe in a Windows PC. That might cause some malfunction. Anyhow, I am a seasoned Nikon user and I never would sell anything faulty. Furthermore, the D810 was happily recording images just a few days prior to the sale. Then I formatted the cards in camera, tested that everything worked, charged up the batteries, packaged it up extremely well and sent the box on its way.

I was somewhat happy that although I would not have a FF body any more at least someone else got a good deal and a good workhorse camera. What a disappointment. I sold the equipment with "no returns accepted" note in the auction. I did it because I didn't want someone getting it for testing only. I am not B&H, I am a photographer who took good care of the camera.

Anyway, I answered the fellow asking him to get the battery out of the camera then do a two button reset. Once it is done then format the cards again in the body. That is all I can suggest. However, I am, unsure if the buyer is a novice who screwed up or some other issue might have happened. All I know that I am in the limbo now and eBay may make me to accept a return so that I may end up with damaged goods, shipping fees and other fees lost.

Well, I had 33 positive experiences with eBay during the years, bot as seller and buyer. Now I may get my first lesson and reality check. I just should have given the camera to my grandson, he would not have filed for a return........

Best to all, AIK :-(

P.S.: I know that this is not the "Forum for Crying". However, It is related to a D810 and others might consider selling theirs on eBay too. Just be rather careful with it.......
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I have sold many camera items online. 5 Nikon DSLR bodies and 6+ Nikon lens. The items I have sold ranged from $200 to $2000+. I have never had problems on eBay or Amazon. I prefer selling on Amazon.

Unfortunately there is always going to be the risk of returns. It’s just part of the process. I would think most times it’s a ligitamate return. Could be they just don’t like it or they changed their mind. If you don’t want to take the risk of returns, don’t sell or donate to charity.
 
mrgs1 said:
Antal I Kozma said:
Double update,

The D810 is issue is still in the half way solved state. The latter message from the buyer is still that he might have figured out his problem, so that I just should "sit tight". I am sitting..... :-) Anyway, he still has not retracted his refund claim but did not follow up on sending the camera back with the shipping label I authorized. I assume that he is figuring everything out very slowly. Whatever he is up to will have to be resolved before the end of this month. The eBay return label expires then and the case will be shut down. Either way, we'll get a resolution.

Second development is a very positive one. As I mentioned in a previous post in this thread I listed my 500mm f4E FL Nikkor as well. As it turned out a member in good standing on this forum will get it by next weekend. The listing was not an auction but a "buy it or best offer" type that could be stopped any time. So I pulled it off sale and it will go to one of our long time contributor member. She will get good use out of it on her birding and safari trips. I am happy that this worked out well for both of us.

Best to all, AIK. :-)
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You'll lose the buy it now fee?
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I suppose.... :-( Still coming out way ahead..... :-)

Best, AIK
 
Antal I Kozma said:
mrgs1 said:
Antal I Kozma said:
Double update,

The D810 is issue is still in the half way solved state. The latter message from the buyer is still that he might have figured out his problem, so that I just should "sit tight". I am sitting..... :-) Anyway, he still has not retracted his refund claim but did not follow up on sending the camera back with the shipping label I authorized. I assume that he is figuring everything out very slowly. Whatever he is up to will have to be resolved before the end of this month. The eBay return label expires then and the case will be shut down. Either way, we'll get a resolution.

Second development is a very positive one. As I mentioned in a previous post in this thread I listed my 500mm f4E FL Nikkor as well. As it turned out a member in good standing on this forum will get it by next weekend. The listing was not an auction but a "buy it or best offer" type that could be stopped any time. So I pulled it off sale and it will go to one of our long time contributor member. She will get good use out of it on her birding and safari trips. I am happy that this worked out well for both of us.

Best to all, AIK. :-)
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You'll lose the buy it now fee?
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I suppose.... :-( Still coming out way ahead..... :-)

Best, AIK
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I don't know how it is in Canada but in USA I have not paid any fees for listing in a very long time. Maybe be that is why they increased selling fees from 6 to 10%.
 
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