M100 or M6

MikeJ9116 wrote:

Peter63 wrote:

nnowak wrote:

Peter63 wrote:

Why do people keep making excuses for every other camera brand out there? None of them can match the performance/value of the 11-22, 22, and 28 macro.

There are plenty of options from other manufacturers that can match and/or exceed the performance of those three lenses. They just might not be as inexpensive or as small.

You are correct, I forgot about size:

Why do people keep making excuses for every other camera brand out there? None of them can match the performance/value/size of the 11-22, 22, and 28 macro.

Because you can only say that about three EF-M lenses. With other brands that list is much longer.

I doubt Sony will even make it to 3 with performance/value/size.

Fuji is going to be hard pressed on value but will excel with the other two.

I guess that leaves M43.

None of them offer a native experience with the EF lens catalog, none have DPAF,

DPAF is good, but it is not the panacea that some believe it to be. There are some major limitations to DPAF that the other manufacturers do not need to contend with.

I agree, so far Canon has not been able to provide the stills tracking speed with DPAF that I desire.

none of them have controls that I like (as an M3 owner you should be able to relate).

After five years Canon still expects us to slap on a heavy adapter and use large, heavy lenses to get the same performance other brands are giving their users with small, light weight native lenses. IMO, Canon's effort with developing the EOS M system has been quite pathetic.

That is a little over the top. I will agree that I would prefer more small light weight lenses but the M system especially with the M5 or M6 is extremely capable, fun to use, and provides excellent results. I use EF-M lenses about 90% of the time and when I need something else, I don't hesitate to use EF. My current favorite EF lens is the 85 1.8. Searching B&H, the only other option is Sony which is much more expensive and only a half inch shorter compared to the Canon lens with adapter included. Other brands might have some smaller options but they also have limitations that Canon does not have.

You missed a couple in your search... Fuji XF 90mm f2.0 and Olympus 75mm f1.8

Yes, I only searched 85. Both of these are much more expensive even compared to the Sony.

There are also inherent advantages to using well designed native lenses on smaller sensor cameras versus using FF lens. Resolution can be better as a result as the native lenses (and EF-S in Canon's case) put more of the light the lens collects on the sensor. Much of the light a FF lens collects is wasted on APS-C cameras. This isn't the case with every lens comparison but it is something to be considered when using FF lenses on smaller sensor cameras.

We are talking about alternatives to the EF 85 1.8, the Sony is FF, the Fuji is crop, and the Olympus is M43 so I'm not sure what the point of your claim is. It might be more relevant to state that for a given level of resolution on a crop sensor, a crop lens may be smaller and less expensive. The price and resolution of the Canon 85 1.8 are already both excellent. I would welcome an EF-M version with the same price and performance in a smaller package. Even better would be to raise the price a little and add IS.

As an M5 owner, I find the lens catalog to be a non-issue. More important to me would be for Canon to match the tracking ability of Sony, for fast action I have to switch back to a DSLR if I want to stick with a Canon. They will also need to fix the long exposure shutter delay at some point, night sky pictures are pretty frustrating. I wish that the play and other rear button's layout was consistent with Canon's DSLRs, I wish the play button could be programmed to 100% zoom at the focus point, and I wish that you could delete an image while zoomed. Pretty minor stuff, for me the limitations of the M system dont feel like Canon is poking a stick in my eye. That would be more like my experience with A6000, maybe I should be over in the Sony forum discussing my feelings about that.