M100 or M6

Peter63 wrote:

MikeJ9116 wrote:

Peter63 wrote:

MikeJ9116 wrote:

Peter63 wrote:

MikeJ9116 wrote:

lilBuddha wrote:

MikeJ9116 wrote:

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If you can't stand getting into arguments about silly things then don't post demeaning replies in response to a person posting a legitimate answer that was requested by the OP.

The OP was about the M100 v. M6 with price eliminated as a factor. You did not answer the question asked, but provided an answer outside of the original parameters.

Sure I did. It just wasn't the answer some wanted to hear.

I think there is more to it than that, people don't want to hear an opinion stated as absolute fact, especially when it differs from their first hand experience.

Name me one major MILC camera brand that has a worse native lens catalog than the EOS M system.

This is a divergence from your quote:

MikeJ9116 wrote:

"If price were no object, I wouldn't buy either one. There are far better cameras to pick in the MILC arena than these two options"

I am still happy to offer my opinion:

I own 2 MILC systems, Sony and Canon APSC, between the 2, I prefer the lenses available for Canon. I use EF-M, EF, and EF-S lenses and consider them native for my own purposes.

So there isn't another major camera maker with a worse native lens catalog than Canon?

I said there is, it is OK if your opinion is different.

If price is no option then a Fuji X-T2, along with the Fuji lens catalog, is a better choice than an M5 with EF-M lenses.

Unless you like the M5 better. Also, I am not sure why you insist on adding the artificial limitation to EF-M lenses.

I own an M3 and EF-M lenses so the Canon M system isn't an unknown quantity to me. What I am saying about the EOS M system has been said in this forum many times, and by many people.

Something different is being said by almost all of the M5 and M6 owners.

Heck, I may end up buying the M100 but I won't be making excuses for Canon's horrible effort in providing a decent SYSTEM for its users.

Why do people keep making excuses for every other camera brand out there? None of them can match the performance/value of the 11-22, 22, and 28 macro.

There are plenty of options from other manufacturers that can match and/or exceed the performance of those three lenses.  They just might not be as inexpensive or as small.

None of them offer a native experience with the EF lens catalog, none have DPAF,

DPAF is good, but it is not the panacea that some believe it to be.  There are some major limitations to DPAF that the other manufacturers do not need to contend with.

none of them have controls that I like (as an M3 owner you should be able to relate).

After five years Canon still expects us to slap on a heavy adapter and use large, heavy lenses to get the same performance other brands are giving their users with small, light weight native lenses. IMO, Canon's effort with developing the EOS M system has been quite pathetic.

That is a little over the top. I will agree that I would prefer more small light weight lenses but the M system especially with the M5 or M6 is extremely capable, fun to use, and provides excellent results. I use EF-M lenses about 90% of the time and when I need something else, I don't hesitate to use EF. My current favorite EF lens is the 85 1.8. Searching B&H, the only other option is Sony which is much more expensive and only a half inch shorter compared to the Canon lens with adapter included. Other brands might have some smaller options but they also have limitations that Canon does not have.

You missed a couple in your search... Fuji XF 90mm f2.0 and Olympus 75mm f1.8

As an M5 owner, I find the lens catalog to be a non-issue. More important to me would be for Canon to match the tracking ability of Sony, for fast action I have to switch back to a DSLR if I want to stick with a Canon. They will also need to fix the long exposure shutter delay at some point, night sky pictures are pretty frustrating. I wish that the play and other rear button's layout was consistent with Canon's DSLRs, I wish the play button could be programmed to 100% zoom at the focus point, and I wish that you could delete an image while zoomed. Pretty minor stuff, for me the limitations of the M system dont feel like Canon is poking a stick in my eye. That would be more like my experience with A6000, maybe I should be over in the Sony forum discussing my feelings about that.