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Hi guys,

I won't be present many times anymore in this forum from now on. I jumped into the mirrorless environment by buying the Panasonic Lumix DMC-G80 (85) with Lumix G Vario12-60mm kitlens and the Leica Vario-Elmar 100-400mm DG OIS.

This set is meant to replace my D7200 with Sigma 150-600mm C. Will it? Future will learn if it is able to let me forget the D7200. So far my experiences (one week) with the new combi is quite good.
I couldn't afford to keep both so I had to sell the body and the long Sigma telezoom as well as the Sigma 12-24mm and the Nikon 70-300mm G VR.

The reason why I changed is the weight/portability and the fact that I don't want to be bothered by aviation rules when we travel to Senegal in November this year. So I wanted to go small.

Another reason is: in my expectation dslr is running out of date and it seemed the appropriate moment for me (economically and technically) to change now and connect to the mirrorless community.

But I still kept my D600 with two lenses for the "serious" work.

All on this forum: thanks for the good interaction.

HansN
 
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No I couldn't, I need the mm's. The 800mm (35mm equiv.) I've got now is hardly enough.
And yes it is heavy especially when you want it with you on long walking trails and also if you want it take it with you on long flight trips. Today airport security is very picky on people with hand luggage.
H.
 
HansN46 said:
Today airport security is very picky on people with hand luggage.
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Indeed, not picky enough. The rules as to weight and dimensions are clearly stated. In Europe I fly cabin-baggage only quite often and several times have been inconvenienced by selfish passengers with way more cabin baggage than they should have. Security risk too.

Sorry. Mirrorless is definitely not for me.
 
David Lal said:
HansN46 said:
Today airport security is very picky on people with hand luggage.
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Indeed, not picky enough. The rules as to weight and dimensions are clearly stated. In Europe I fly cabin-baggage only quite often and several times have been inconvenienced by selfish passengers with way more cabin baggage than they should have. Security risk too.
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True, but I don't want to face the risk that I have to hand it over to the cargo staff, because it's too heavy.
David Lal said:
Sorry. Mirrorless is definitely not for me.
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Sorry David, it will be once, inevitably.
 
I made the same move and owned and used various M4/3 cameras from both Olympus and Panasonic. They are a good choice so long as landscapes are not your main priority. Noisy skies at even base ISO and limited dynamic range compared to the Nikons means there are not even in the same ball park. I do miss my 15mm f1.7 Panasonic/Leica though and the incredible IS. Have gone over to Fuji and very happy with them - I even sold my X-T2 as somehow I preferred the images from the X-E1
 
HansN46 said:
Hi guys,

I won't be present many times anymore in this forum from now on. I jumped into the mirrorless environment by buying the Panasonic Lumix DMC-G80 (85) with Lumix G Vario12-60mm kitlens and the Leica Vario-Elmar 100-400mm DG OIS.

This set is meant to replace my D7200 with Sigma 150-600mm C. Will it? Future will learn if it is able to let me forget the D7200. So far my experiences (one week) with the new combi is quite good.
I couldn't afford to keep both so I had to sell the body and the long Sigma telezoom as well as the Sigma 12-24mm and the Nikon 70-300mm G VR.

The reason why I changed is the weight/portability and the fact that I don't want to be bothered by aviation rules when we travel to Senegal in November this year. So I wanted to go small.

Another reason is: in my expectation dslr is running out of date and it seemed the appropriate moment for me (economically and technically) to change now and connect to the mirrorless community.

But I still kept my D600 with two lenses for the "serious" work.

All on this forum: thanks for the good interaction.

HansN
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HansN46 said:
David Lal said:
HansN46 said:
Today airport security is very picky on people with hand luggage.
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Indeed, not picky enough. The rules as to weight and dimensions are clearly stated. In Europe I fly cabin-baggage only quite often and several times have been inconvenienced by selfish passengers with way more cabin baggage than they should have. Security risk too.
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True, but I don't want to face the risk that I have to hand it over to the cargo staff, because it's too heavy.
HansN46 said:
Sorry. Mirrorless is definitely not for me.
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Sorry David, it will be once, inevitably.

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No inevitably. DSLRs will be here as long as people want optical viewfinders.
 
You should write back after you have exclusively used the EVF/m43 for at least a month and then gone out and shot with your remaining D600. You can post on the m43 boards.

I started out using all the bells and whistles overlays of the EVF and now have them mostly turned off. You may or may not come to feel the same.

I habitually mostly use a current Oly m43 (replaced an early Panasonic m43)and D600. I find current m43 as good as APS for my uses--this was not previously the case-- and its smaller heftitude undeniable. I have never understood prioritizing pixel peeping or obsessing over technical points more important than image making.

You may or may not come to feel as I do that there is much hype about EVFs and EVF cameras that real world use does not bear out. Regardless of reduced heft one needs to ask oneself if the camera is a pleasure to use or somewhat onerous.

My favorite quote from a post on these forums is to the effect that nobody brags about how much fun it is to use their Sony dSLR.

After many years of using m43 EVFs (and a couple of high end bridge cameras at different times)I when I look through the viewfinder I often still feel like I am standing over a golf ball with a big wood and don't know if I will connect with the ball when I swing the club. In my experience I have learned the EVF images generally turn out fine but despite flashies and histograms its not the same experience for me as looking at the "real" light/dark values via an optical viewfinder. Perhaps I am too old and set in my ways.

In all the EVFs I have looked through I feel like I am looking at a compressed television image rather than the dim window of a dSLR (compromised in its own way but with better dynamic range).

I am going on an extended trip to an Asian country in a few months. I will take my m43 because its balance of heft and image quality have become addictive. I am auditioning a variety of camera strap variants so I can justify taking my D600 and tolerate carrying it for extended periods just because it is a lot more fun to use and when I open the raw files I am pretty sure what I will see.
 
vinrouge0 said:
They are a good choice so long as landscapes are not your main priority. Noisy skies at even base ISO and limited dynamic range
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Not good enough?
 
Micro Four Thirds cameras are certainly 'good enough' and I have enjoyed using several of them over recent years. That is not the point I was making. My comment was in comparison to the much better dynamic range available on cameras such as the D7200 which would have given the picture you have posted, less of a processed look. Noisy skies and highlights/shadows can be dealt with but at a cost.
 
vinrouge0 said:
Micro Four Thirds cameras are certainly 'good enough' and I have enjoyed using several of them over recent years. That is not the point I was making. My comment was in comparison to the much better dynamic range available on cameras such as the D7200 which would have given the picture you have posted, less of a processed look. Noisy skies and highlights/shadows can be dealt with but at a cost.
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I have owned several Nikon cameras, like D80, D300, D5100 and D7000, and they have been great!. That said i am not a fanboy, and like to try other brands to.

I now have the Gx8 and a Samsung NX500(same sensor as the NX1, and same DR as D7500), and cant say i see any difference in the photos, and i mainly take landscapes.

The MFT is definitely good enough for landscape in my opinion!

What monitor do you use?

I want to buy another camera now, and thinking about EM 1ii, pen f, or D7500 and A6500.

The weight and size plus ibis does MFT a favorite for me

Fuji like X100f, X20 and XT2 was also in my mind, but after reading much about artifacs, like watercolour and folie effects in theyr landscapes photos i ruled them out!...for now.

Sorry for my bad english
 
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