Doing Samsung NX again - Mistake?

Kisaha wrote:

CCD FTW wrote:

Kisaha wrote:

norman shearer wrote:

CCD FTW wrote:

VisualFX wrote:

Remember Sigma is not only lenses you can get. There are cheap Pentax K-mount lenses with the adapter you can use. I have 9 Pentax lenses right now. Some are first generation K, and M-series, others M42 mount. All work fine as long as you are okay with fully manual lenses. Focus peaking works well with NX1.

True, but if I want to use MF lenses I have other cameras for that. I was only considering the 8-16mm because being an UWA it doesn’t really matter that it is MF only. While I can (and would) adapt other MF lenses if I kept it, it isn’t really adding any value to the gear that I have.

I don't really enjoy manual focus on the NX1 to be honest. Focus peaking is okay but magnified view on center point is quite limiting.

I think you'd be best selling it on and getting into a system which has all the lenses you require. You'll only end up with another system to fill the gaps anyway?

I have NX1 and NX500 but I'm okay with the lenses I've got and I like using multiple systems anyway. Sometimes I think maybe I should sell all my Samsung gear but I've learned not to be hasty in letting good gear go. I miss my EX2F and regret selling it.

If you sell now you might well make a few bucks and have no or little regrets. If you buy more Samsung lenses then it'll just add to your torment and you may end up selling when the prices finally start dropping (and they will eventually).

The question ain't if to sell or not, the question is "what to buy next".

Most of us have found an equilibrium with the NX system, that is very hard to leave behind and go on. As good as most systems are these days, there isn't one, any, of those to be clearly ahead of the NX. I can't with a light heart to go to something inferior and try to build again, while there isn't a clear path to evolution right now, and especially without Canonikon have made their moves.

Canon has some anemic M cameras, and a few native zoom lenses, Nikon has nothing at all at the moment. Sony still needs better bodies (ergonomics, heat dissipation, menu system, better energy efficiency and bigger batteries, and a few glitches here and there), a few more lenses and/or an upgrade of some of the older ones (for better AF speed). Fuji is going the right way, still don't have touch screen on their flagships, their video is a little bit behind, no fish eye, no stabilized -similar to S- lens, a lot of older lenses design. Need extra equipment (e.g extra battery grip) to achieve some things that NX has for granted without (and even more).

Even in lenses you are mentioning, NX seems more complete to me (at least for my needs) compared to any other APS-C mirrorless system right now. No, such system has a fish eye lens, which is one of my favorite specialized lenses, and the unique 16-50S with IS (and dual IS with the NX1) 2-2.8f.

Depending the use, NX lens system can be enough for not only amateurs and hobbyists, but even professionals.

I have no other system since NX300, and now I have NX1 (2), NX500 and NX3000. No APS-C system offers me the option of 3 different bodies for different tasks. Fuji is close though.

It sounds like the NX system fits your needs really well. I've had all the systems you mention (and more) and somewhat disagree. Fuji for example have features the NX1 doesn't, such as dual card slots and 100-400mm lens, nothing close to that lens for NX. Yes the 16-55 f2.8 has no IS like the S does, but the 18-55 does, but it's a stop slower across the range, but also can be had for about 1/3 the price. If looking at it for video (where the IS is the biggest plus IMO) the X-T2 is at least a stop better in higher ISO for video, with very usable 3200+. While you need an external recorder for Log, at least Log is an option. Battery isn't anywhere near as good though.

Also had the Sony A99 II and that is a very good camera that has lots of things the NX1 doesn't. While the camera itself is considerably more expensive, lenses make the system cheaper. It may well be a 'dead' system as well, but has a far greater range of lenses and without the high price tags. Ergonomics and battery etc are fantastic. So is the video, probably the best 'all-rounder' in the Sony range. I agree that the A6300/6500 are lacking by comparison, but the lens range is more expansive and more readily accessible, plus adaptability, lenses like the Sigma f1.8 Art zooms make it pretty well covered.

NX1 is still fantastic and I can see why it's hard to give up for a potentially much more expensive system to replace, but as someone building a system it's less appealing. Plus with prices the way they are ATM surely a pretty good return on your current gear is possible?

But yes, I wouldn't be rushing out to replace a full NX1 system with an A6500, just not the same level. An A7 III based on the latest body would make them significantly more interesting IMO, or the A99 II.

I am talking about APS-C mirrorless cameras. That is my sweet spot, I thought I was clear with that.

I'm not really sure where you think I am trying to convince you to switch to another system? Obviously you are very happy with your NX, I don't think I could be more clear that I am talking about building a system. In that regard, I don't really care what you think is your personal 'sweet spot'. Again I'm not trying to convince you you need to switch.

I have a list of things mentioned that other systems can't offer me, but they are spread in different threads, if you are forum regular you have see them.

I'm not going to go hunting for them, sorry. This thread isn't really about you, I'm sure you can discuss what you need in those other threads?

I follow Fuji, and they are evolving greatly, just do not have the most modern flagship in the market right now. There are numerous threads on other forums with various Fuji issues and glitches (exposure drifting, when one battery runs out video recording stops etc).

That's nice. I have one, I have an NX1, I've had NX's since the NX10 came out (yes that's right the very first one). They have differences but I cannot say with any certainty that the NX1 is better. In fact on balance I would say the X-T2 is better. You are quick to point out the issues with the Fuji while ignoring the benefits, seemingly because you already consider the NX1 to be 'better'. I can't buy a Samsun with dual card slots. Cannot buy an UWA with IS. Cannot buy a lens longer than 200mm with AF and certainly not any faster than f5.6. There is a super zoom but it is dreadful, Fuji have the excellent 18-135mm. There is no log for video, that's another big one.

Again, there are whole threads on other forums that describe why A99II AIN'T the best video cameras around (overheating - again, 3.5f/AF limitation, monitor dims in movie mode - again, probably next system to go off line, etc) you should go check them if you are interested.

Well I am going by my own experience having had both. The A99 II 'on balance' is vastly superior camera. Again, log, IBIS, better EVF, much better tilt screen, way better MF aids, silent controller, ability to add XLR audio, vastly superior lens ecosystem, vastly better AF system, 42MP FF BSI sensor, dual card slots, advanced picture profiles, proxy files in camera, vastly better 1080p, enormously superior 120 fps 1080p, focus joystick, low light performance...

I don't need to check them, but thank you.

I was very interested in those Axx Sonys, as they seem to be the better implemented Sony's around, but they still have a lot of issues to solve (just before be abandoned).

Well they keep releasing them over the last decade when everyone keeps claiming they are dead. That's not the same thing as being dead.

As I said previously, there isn't a clearly better camera overall, some have smaller sensors, others are overheating, most have worst ergonomics, some have not some lenses I need, some have small batteries, some have no touchscreens.

Sure. Then they also have other things in them that the NX1 doesn't have, but apparently the NX's exact feature set is the most perfectly perfect one could ever have.

We have to wait for the next generation, that will happen probably in 2018, but even then, I don't see me selling all my NX stuff.

That's very nice. I think if it is a very good camera today it will continue to be next year as well. This is why I bought one, again.

I took a NX1 and the 18-200 for my holidays this summer. I used twice a FD 135mm lens I had with me (for 2 small videos, in DIS mode), and once the 45mm NX, but after the first day I left them in the hotel.

Had the 18-200mm, it was absolute junk. No offence, but every system has one of these. Not sure how this makes your NX1 the right choice. The fact that there are no alternatives within the system are points against it though.

Usually I was going with the NX500 and/or NX3000 with 2 primes, but NX1 with that one lens was just fine to carry around in my back pack as my glorified compact. Why to sell this combo for 8-9-10 hundred of euros, and what much better product exists than an APS-C 28 BSI sensor, quick fast operation (both electronic and mechanical), some of the best AMOLED touch screens on the business and a battery that lasted the whole week (included some small videos of course), while going from 18 to (a very very soft admittedly) 200mm?

I'm not really sure what to say here? A good sensor is only as good as the glass in front. I doubt it could do any better in this configuration than a RX10 II or III. As I say there are super zooms in every mount.