Leica look (continued)?

nzmacro · Jul 5, 2017

Aquarius2014 said:
Oh, yes, my gallery. They are mostly snaps.

Back to topic. The point of the article is that the Leica look can be emulated (last paragraph) but that it comes naturally with some Leica lenses. In the link below, please, find five examples that have hardly been touched except for exposure a bit and default sharpening applied. These are from DNGs opened in LR and exported as JPEGs.

https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-qVqnKk/

Also, in the link below there is a comparison between the 50 Summilux-SL and the Zeiss Otus 55/1.4, both on the Leica SL. One can see the greater depth, the smooth transition from the in focus to the out of focus areas, the way contrast is maintained in the out of focus areas and more details are being resolved by the Leica lens.

https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-GGCRrg/

I'm looking at photos and ........ that's it !! Nothing special there at all, unless you want to see something that others can't. I shoot RAW and nothing shorter than 300mm, so what am I supposed to see. Nothing makes me go wow and we see shots in here every day that's as good if not better. If that's the so called Leica look, I don't want it thanks ;-)

Post me up a few bird in flight shots, motor racing, etc, that makes me go wow and we can talk.

What does DPR have to say about the Leica SL ...

Expensive
Heavy and unbalanced with native lenses
Grip is frustratingly unergonomic, makes camera feel heavier than it is
JPEG color is just unpleasant
Autofocus speed highly lens dependent (very slow on Summilux-SL 50mm F1.4)
Autofocus subject tracking lags behind competition
Dynamic range lags behind competition
Slow card write speeds
Lacking in-camera Raw conversion

Now stick around and don't just reply to me, there are others that have spent time getting sucked into this thread as well. They deserve a bit of respect also.

Danny.

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mg_k · Jul 5, 2017

Vetteran said:
Appropriate

https://petapixel.com/2017/07/03/swapped-pro-dslr-cheapest-one-available/

Love it.

Imo the majority (if not all) of the images posted by the author are bad and uninspiring. I would have trashed 90% of them without hesitation.

Great showing that gear doesn't matter if the photographer is junk.

yanisha · Jul 5, 2017

yanisha said:
dmanthree said:

When I see a double blind test that demonstrates this, I'm in. Until then, it was, is, and will be utter BS concocted by shooters who got sucked in to spending huge amounts of money on jewelry that records images.

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I think it has been done. Probably more than once. See this:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59758065

Tests have been done, I think.

Bottom line is there are always some people who hope/wish/pray that by buying just the right gear they will be good photographers. There are also those who think if they just had the right guitar, violin, piano, surfboard, tennis racket, golf club, etc. they would suddenly be so much better. No doubt that there are people who think if they use the same typewriter that Hemingway used they would be a great writer. Or the same pen and paper that Shakespeare used.

I wish them luck in their quest to buy good photos.

Vetteran · Jul 5, 2017

We all know that the camera does not make the photographer.

mg_k · Jul 5, 2017

Vetteran said:
We all know that the camera does not make the photographer.

And I just love these kind of article where these self-proclaimed "teacher" is so far up themselves and backfired.

I would be ashamed posting and putting my watermark in any of those photos he posted.

See I always find people who keeps harping on about "it's all about the photographer and not the gear" is usually the one who can't take a decent image himself/herself?

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Aquarius2014 · Jul 5, 2017

nzmacro said:
Aquarius2014 said:

Oh, yes, my gallery. They are mostly snaps.

Back to topic. The point of the article is that the Leica look can be emulated (last paragraph) but that it comes naturally with some Leica lenses. In the link below, please, find five examples that have hardly been touched except for exposure a bit and default sharpening applied. These are from DNGs opened in LR and exported as JPEGs.

https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-qVqnKk/

Also, in the link below there is a comparison between the 50 Summilux-SL and the Zeiss Otus 55/1.4, both on the Leica SL. One can see the greater depth, the smooth transition from the in focus to the out of focus areas, the way contrast is maintained in the out of focus areas and more details are being resolved by the Leica lens.

https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-GGCRrg/

Click to expand...

I'm looking at photos and ........ that's it !! Nothing special there at all, unless you want to see something that others can't. I shoot RAW and nothing shorter than 300mm, so what am I supposed to see. Nothing makes me go wow and we see shots in here every day that's as good if not better. If that's the so called Leica look, I don't want it thanks ;-)

Post me up a few bird in flight shots, motor racing, etc, that makes me go wow and we can talk.

What does DPR have to say about the Leica SL ...

Expensive

Heavy and unbalanced with native lenses

Grip is frustratingly unergonomic, makes camera feel heavier than it is

JPEG color is just unpleasant

Autofocus speed highly lens dependent (very slow on Summilux-SL 50mm F1.4)

Autofocus subject tracking lags behind competition

Dynamic range lags behind competition

Slow card write speeds

Lacking in-camera Raw conversion

Now stick around and don't just reply to me, there are others that have spent time getting sucked into this thread as well. They deserve a bit of respect also.

Danny.

wolfychi · Jul 5, 2017

Danny

The bird and the racing car will look a lot more emotional if shot with the Leica....

nzmacro · Jul 5, 2017

Aquarius2014 said:
Somebody has issues.

You sure do, because the only one you are responding to is me after you posted this mess to start with ;-) What's the matter, you can't post up photos that will impress me or what. I can't see what you see with Leica, you need to impress me before I get sucked into that so called Leica look. Simply you can't.

Don't be so gutless and go and respond to others as well with your ..... issues. You are starting to sound like an elitist snob that can't actually shoot, which BTW is typical of an elitist. Now's your chance, prove me wrong ;-)

Danny.

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The need for speed ..... https://www.flickr.com/photos/130646821@N03/

Aquarius2014 · Jul 5, 2017

nzmacro said:
Aquarius2014 said:

Somebody has issues.

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You sure do, because the only one you are responding to is me after you posted this mess to start with ;-) What's the matter, you can't post up photos that will impress me or what. I can't see what you see with Leica, you need to impress me before I get sucked into that so called Leica look. Simply you can't.

Don't be so gutless and go and respond to others as well with your ..... issues. You are starting to sound like an elitist snob that can't actually shoot, which BTW is typical of an elitist. Now's your chance, prove me wrong ;-)

Danny.

nzmacro · Jul 5, 2017

wolfychi said:
Danny

The bird and the racing car will look a lot more emotional if shot with the Leica....

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Okay I'm sold, I just bought two

Maybe I might end with that Leica look on a Kingfisher, Spoonbill, Swallow, but heavens forbid you would take a Leica and take shots of a lowly Sparrow !!

Oh no, that wouldn't be good enough at all ;-)

Emotional power boat or jet-ski racing, yeah that will work

You never know, I could end up with that ...... Leica look and sell nothing !!

All the best.

Danny.

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The need for speed ..... https://www.flickr.com/photos/130646821@N03/

nzmacro · Jul 5, 2017

Aquarius2014 said:
nzmacro said:

Aquarius2014 said:

Somebody has issues.

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You sure do, because the only one you are responding to is me after you posted this mess to start with ;-) What's the matter, you can't post up photos that will impress me or what. I can't see what you see with Leica, you need to impress me before I get sucked into that so called Leica look. Simply you can't.

Don't be so gutless and go and respond to others as well with your ..... issues. You are starting to sound like an elitist snob that can't actually shoot, which BTW is typical of an elitist. Now's your chance, prove me wrong ;-)

Danny.

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Birds and BIF's ..... https://www.flickr.com/photos/124733969@N06/sets/
The need for speed ..... https://www.flickr.com/photos/130646821@N03/

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You are not crying now, are you?

Still replying only to me I see again

Don't start what you obviously can't back up ;-) Still waiting to be proved wrong.

Danny.

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wolfychi · Jul 5, 2017

Yeah. Something definetly lacking in your pics, I took a look in the dpreview studio comparision tool, upon looking at the Leica chart, I was choking in tear..

nzmacro · Jul 5, 2017

wolfychi said:
Yeah. Something definetly lacking in your pics, I took a look in the dpreview studio comparision tool, upon looking at the Leica chart, I was choking in tear..

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Had to go look at the exciting fast action packed Leica forum at DPR and when I woke up I found a shot I really like ;-)

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59787009

Maybe, just maybe, that's the Leica look.

All the best.

Danny.

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The need for speed ..... https://www.flickr.com/photos/130646821@N03/

wolfychi · Jul 5, 2017

That is a very melancholic looking dog! I am sold..

lattesweden · Jul 5, 2017

Ab Latchin said:
In B&W the 25mm also seems to shine, at high iso we get a nice grain... but again the dimensional lighting, the subject matter we can all connect to, tight intimate framing...

I have never really liked studio images, there is no life in them. It is like product images of people (yes, some images do look good taken in studio as well, but generally it is like described above for me at least).

Modern shallow DOF-lenses that are sharp wide open and the current photography trend that is to wipe out the background with the use of f1.2 often renders a result like in a almost life less studio image.

The image above on the other hand has it. Life, story, subject separation that is good enough to draw the eyes to the subjects without loosing the connection to the background and it has the depth. Call it what you like, it has the right look.

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Aquarius2014 · Jul 5, 2017

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lattesweden · Jul 5, 2017

jhunna said:
Taken with a Sony, but I like the subject and the depth of the photo.

Yes, it is shot on a A7II with the Leica Noctilux 0.95. I remembered that review of his and looked it up.

jhunna said:
This is a Leica camera, again the depth...

There is something about this lens that isn't like a normal 50 mm renders. It has the depth rendering more of a wideangle lens that is background enlarged in depth to not have the normal perspective shrinking. Can't explain it better but it does look different.

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dmanthree · Jul 5, 2017

jhunna said:
dmanthree said:

jhunna said:

That wasn't directed to you, but to dmanthree, who I think took it as I intended (as he has owned Leica in the past). You will never get statistical proof of a leica look and I think most of the guys asking for this know that. So while I can't prove there is a Leica look, neither can you disprove that their isn't one.

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Proof of any negative is impossible. That's a fact, so please...

For example, I can't prove that you've never skinned a cat alive, either.

...still waiting for the double-blind test...

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I think you should conduct the double blind. I don't see many clamoring for one, so unless you do it it probably won't happen.

I don't need to. I make no claim that any such "look" exists. Someone who claims it does needs to produce the test.

PW M43 · Jul 5, 2017

ISTR that many years ago one of the photo mags used to test lenses with both high contrast and low contrast targets. All of the tests I see these days seem to be with high contrast targets. In the tests I read long ago, WG Zeiss lenses would beat Leica on high contrast tests, but Leica won on low-contrast subjects. Leica designers claimed they looked for 'roundness' in results rather than absolute numbers, and maybe the better low contrast results show at least in part what they were aiming for.

I do find modern lenses to lack character, however well they resolve in tests. Maybe some objective tests would help. And maybe what I call character comes from a mix of uncorrected aberrations and wishful thinking on my part, but I still like some of the images I get - even from despised lenses :-D

50mm Domiplan on Olympus E330

jhunna · Jul 5, 2017

dmanthree said:
jhunna said:

dmanthree said:

jhunna said:

That wasn't directed to you, but to dmanthree, who I think took it as I intended (as he has owned Leica in the past). You will never get statistical proof of a leica look and I think most of the guys asking for this know that. So while I can't prove there is a Leica look, neither can you disprove that their isn't one.

Click to expand...

Proof of any negative is impossible. That's a fact, so please...

For example, I can't prove that you've never skinned a cat alive, either.

...still waiting for the double-blind test...

Click to expand...

I think you should conduct the double blind. I don't see many clamoring for one, so unless you do it it probably won't happen.

Click to expand...

I don't need to. I make no claim that any such "look" exists. Someone who claims it does needs to produce the test.

I make no claim of having to prove to anyone that the look exists. The only people asking for proof that the look exists are those calling for double blinds and scientific proof. Somehow being able to simultaneously say it doesn't exist and ask others to prove that it doesn't exists makes this group of people right.

OK... you are right.

Now those of us that want to discuss our fantasy can continue without being interrupted by those seeking self affirming theories.

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