Canon has a SL2 web page up

I wonder why the kit lenses of the SL2 and the t7i start at out f4 instead of f3.5?
I think it is the latest redesign of the EF-S 18-55mm STM zoom. It appears to get pretty good reviews for IQ, sharpness etc. Plus, it is 20% smaller than its predecessors. My guess is that the 4.0 was the trade off for much of the improvements while keeping the cost in line.
 
they can take that one cross type af point and shove it in their ....

thats only thing i do not like on my sl1, only one af point i can trust, all others are a great chance that they will fail focus, only center one is precise and always, and i mean always, focus properly

and this will be only reason i would change my camera, beside mirror vibration, which maybe has strong feel because of small weight, but if i set to silent it's much better
 
they can take that one cross type af point and shove it in their ....

thats only thing i do not like on my sl1, only one af point i can trust, all others are a great chance that they will fail focus, only center one is precise and always, and i mean always, focus properly

and this will be only reason i would change my camera, beside mirror vibration, which maybe has strong feel because of small weight, but if i set to silent it's much better
It does appear to have a silent shutter option which I find very useful having enjoyed using it on the 6D . The 9 point AF will make me look hard at the T7i and 77D before making a final decision. Since I shoot 95% of my shots with the center point and recompose as necessary, this may not be an issue regarding the SL2 if it acquires focus quickly. The very capable live view it seems to have can make up for some of the 9 point system's weak spots in other areas. I wish they had included focus peaking but Canon seems to dole out that option sparingly.
 
Since I shoot 95% of my shots with the center point and recompose as necessary, this may not be an issue regarding the SL2 if it acquires focus quickly.
I would guess you do not shoot often at f1.8? i like thin DOF, and recompose simply does not work in that case, event at 2.8 if it's close up it will mess up shot
The very capable live view it seems to have can make up for some of the 9 point system's weak spots in other areas
I see battery lasts almost twice as before on new SL2, so yes, live view could finally be used, using LV only on SL1 is not exactly good, battery gets empty real fast, while using OVF i can get over 500 pics - which is incredible from such small battery
. I wish they had included focus peaking but Canon seems to dole out that option sparingly.
That is an interesting idea, i think i did see this option in Magic Lantern, maybe it's time to install it.

I am currently looking at 70D, due to better AF points - and all are cross type, and they run cheap new at the moment, since it's really old camera - just, that size difference is huge :)
 
Since I shoot 95% of my shots with the center point and recompose as necessary, this may not be an issue regarding the SL2 if it acquires focus quickly.
I would guess you do not shoot often at f1.8? i like thin DOF, and recompose simply does not work in that case, event at 2.8 if it's close up it will mess up shot
I don't do much shooting up close but even then I don't have a huge issue with this. Especially if I have a nice, tiny center focus box. I like that the DPAF is there with the SL2 to take advantage of critical focusing when needed and the other benefits it brings. One of the things I hate about the M3 I own is that the center focus box is the size of Nebraska. It was just sheer luck if it focused on what I needed it to focus on inside that box in so many shooting scenarios. The M5 improved the box size but it is still somewhat large, IMO, and one of the main reasons I decided to not buy one. The SL2 will not have this problem. I won't even get into how dog slow the M3 is in acquiring focus and then getting around to taking the photo. If I was taking a photo of a three year old they would be in kindergarten before the photo was actually taken. :)
The very capable live view it seems to have can make up for some of the 9 point system's weak spots in other areas
I see battery lasts almost twice as before on new SL2, so yes, live view could finally be used, using LV only on SL1 is not exactly good, battery gets empty real fast, while using OVF i can get over 500 pics - which is incredible from such small battery
I have the EVF for the M3 and using it will suck the life out of a battery in no time.
. I wish they had included focus peaking but Canon seems to dole out that option sparingly.
That is an interesting idea, i think i did see this option in Magic Lantern, maybe it's time to install it.
I found myself using focus peaking quite a lot with the M3. It can be very useful.
I am currently looking at 70D, due to better AF points - and all are cross type, and they run cheap new at the moment, since it's really old camera - just, that size difference is huge :)
I will be looking at the T7i and the 77D before buying the SL2 as well as waiting on some reviews of it. I think the odds are that I will end up with the SL2. From what I see so far it looks like Canon has done a great job with the SL2. Especially for the price point they are taking with it.
 
refurbished 80d seems more appealing.
 
refurbished 80d seems more appealing.
I want something small and light weight. I don't see me going bigger than the t7i/77D and there is about a 90% chance I will buy the SL2. It gets me about 95% of the way to what I need from a small DSLR while mitigating several things that are pushing me away from the EOS M line. Plus, I have a 6D and will likely get the 6D2 for when I need a more capable camera. Cameras like the 5D4 are a waste of money for my needs. I would rather spend the money saved on glass.
 
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What kind of photography do you mostly do? I just ordered the 77D before the announcement and although it is a great camera I also admit it has a lot of capabilities for me to "grow in to". Indoor sports are one main requirement. Will the SL2 be good enough or will AF let me down.

Curious what your motives are...
 
What kind of photography do you mostly do? I just ordered the 77D before the announcement and although it is a great camera I also admit it has a lot of capabilities for me to "grow in to". Indoor sports are one main requirement. Will the SL2 be good enough or will AF let me down.

Curious what your motives are...
My wife and I do a wide variety of photography from casual shooting to doing weddings for friends and family for free. We are not professional photographers and do not earn income from doing it.

The main reason I want to check out the T7i and 77D is to compare the auto focus to the SL2 and determine if this will factor into my decision between the three. I am willing to deal with a little more size and weight if I get enough benefit to justify it. Then things like shot buffer etc. will also be considered. I have a lot of homework to do before making a final decision.

I tried the EOS M3 for about the past two years and have been highly disappointed with it and the EOS M line in general. Canon does not seem willing to put a decent effort into developing it in an aggressive way so I am not dumping more money into M gear and the SL2, or possibly the T7i or 77D, seems like a logical replacement for it.

I don't think the SL2 is going to be a camera for you if sports shooting is important. I think you bought the right camera in the 77D to allow you to learn photography. It will help you determine what the next camera will be to meet your needs. By that time there should be a replacement for the 7D2 and that might be your ideal camera in the future.
 
Thanks, lots to learn. Good to hear your reasoning. I currently and a 450D and feel I have have squeezed out what I can in low light sports at 800 ISO and the 50mm f1.8 lens. Looking my forward to getting more margin here and who knows maybe a new prime... 85mm maybe.

I admit the SL2 may have won me over if it was available, but I am "hoping" that the ergonomic do not suit me ;-)
 
they can take that one cross type af point and shove it in their ....

thats only thing i do not like on my sl1, only one af point i can trust, all others are a great chance that they will fail focus, only center one is precise and always, and i mean always, focus properly

and this will be only reason i would change my camera, beside mirror vibration, which maybe has strong feel because of small weight, but if i set to silent it's much better
It does appear to have a silent shutter option which I find very useful having enjoyed using it on the 6D . The 9 point AF will make me look hard at the T7i and 77D before making a final decision.
The 9 point diamond array is the same width as the 80D point array
Since I shoot 95% of my shots with the center point and recompose as necessary, this may not be an issue regarding the SL2 if it acquires focus quickly. The very capable live view it seems to have can make up for some of the 9 point system's weak spots in other areas. I wish they had included focus peaking but Canon seems to dole out that option sparingly.
 

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