Canon m5

mpressed wrote:

ByronP wrote:

Canon did a good job with the m5, in my opinion. But the mirrorless competition marches on and show what is possible....low light, much better tracking, etc.

In my opinion the market for Canon mirrorless is canon users of bigger heavier dsrl's. But these people are assuming they can get the same functionality as say a d80. For instance cross type af sensors. Try this, take a piece of paper and draw a vertical line. The m5 focuses on it beautifully. Now turn the paper 90 degrees on try focusing. Rebel user would have no problem with the paper either way. I suspect the mirrorless Sony's of the world would not have problems either, but I don't know.

Further, Canon in my opinion has too many low end cameras which is costing them profit. They will figure that out and consolidate. The question in my mind, will they consolidate the low end around mirrorless or the likes of their low end dsrl's? The low end dsrl market is not growing and in same case contracting. Canon will react to this.

So us m5 users do ourselves no service by tell the world that the m5 is great and not pointing out the flaws because people moving from a rebel or higher will figure this out and won't listen to those who say the camera is Gods answer to small and lite.

Bp

While i definitely agree Canon did a great job with the M5 FINALLY...

not sure where your info is coming from but canons lower priced entry rebels are one of the least contracting areas of the entire camera business.. And i doubt those interested in an M% are comping it to a 80D, unless they are past the newbie stage and have done some research... Regardless most of now using an M5 as their go to won't find short comings against an 80D, i find short comings against my 5D, but there are many things i prefer over an 80D and honestly right now their is not a cropped sensor camera from canon i would choose over the M5, the more i use it outside of the very discussed lack of native lenses..

i can see enthusiast being confused as to go M5 or 6D and the FF advantage gained there..

go stand in BH phot for an hour and see how many people are in line at the canon area with rebels..it is the busiest place in the store.. no one knows what the mirrorless will replace but its not opening price rebels.

A new dad or a your person can walk in and out of a store for around 500 dollars and leave with a rebel and kit lenses... while the same in the mirrorless world will be anywhere from 20-100% more expensive... Canon is very smart about their low end camera offerings

I agree completely, but feel that it is very much a detriment to their customers.  Their low end lacks too many features and virtually guarantees that those that had any intention of using their camera will end up moving on to something else.   Great for Canon, not so nice for their customers' pocket books.  I'm actually recommending people looking in that price range to go Pentax instead because either they stay at that level (so they got more for their money with Pentax) or they will move up (can switch over to Canon at that point if they wish).  Though I personally don't recommend going into Pentax if they are going beyond the kit lenses because Pentax actually is a bit more expensive (for lenses) and has fewer options in lenses.  Anyway, at that point they will be familiar enough to decide for themselves if they want to stay with Pentax or not.  The minimum budget I recommend to go Canon is enough for an 80D with two lenses.

and are often looking to comp low end dslr buyers with their long zoom power shots then their mirrorless cameras...

I wish they offered raw, though the hacked firmwares can help that on some models with that.

And the features of the new M5 and M6 are not geared to a newbie...

... kinda are from my viewpoint

its why so many rebels are left without features enthusiasts and pros want but those same features are making their way into the M series.....

A few of them

mp