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Canon 5D MKIV and CS6 - RAW converter workaround

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I don't know if others have this issue but it caused me some grief until I figured it out.

I thought I had researched the 5D MKIV camera raw issues before getting since I have LR 6 and CS6. I mostly use LR and don't use PS much, but I was trying to do some focus stacking and discovered that CS6 camera raw version upgrade path stopped prior to MK IV. LR works ok, but not CS6 and it fact you can't interact with PS at all out of LR for these files.

However there is a workaround, although a bit clunky. If works ok for me since Iuse PS so rarely. Output the images from LR into DNG format (assuming you have updated LR software) and then you can use them in PS.
 
Dale Garman said:
However there is a workaround, although a bit clunky. If works ok for me since Iuse PS so rarely. Output the images from LR into DNG format (assuming you have updated LR software) and then you can use them in PS.
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This is what I do, as I refuse to be forced into Adobe's cloud. I keep all the CR2 and DNG files, so it results in using more storage space, but so be it.

It's unfortunate to have to put another step in the process, but I can live with it. The DNG converter will do all your CR2 files in one hit, including sub-folders, so when I get back from an extended overseas trip (as I just have), I simply set it going, go and have a coffee, then return to find it's all done, and I can use the DNGs in Camera Raw.
 
Dale Garman said:
I don't know if others have this issue but it caused me some grief until I figured it out.

I thought I had researched the 5D MKIV camera raw issues before getting since I have LR 6 and CS6. I mostly use LR and don't use PS much, but I was trying to do some focus stacking and discovered that CS6 camera raw version upgrade path stopped prior to MK IV. LR works ok, but not CS6 and it fact you can't interact with PS at all out of LR for these files.

However there is a workaround, although a bit clunky. If works ok for me since Iuse PS so rarely. Output the images from LR into DNG format (assuming you have updated LR software) and then you can use them in PS.
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Or convert the RAW files in DPP4.x and send them to PS.
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I still prefer Adobe for RAW conversion so I convert to DNG. If you use LR a lot get the updated stand alone which will open RAW and use DNG for CS6. That is what I do.
 
Couldn't you save the converted file as a tiff or PSD and then open in PS. When I use DPP I send the files straight to PS as a tiff
 
Don Lacy said:
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Couldn't you save the converted file as a tiff or PSD and then open in PS. When I use DPP I send the files straight to PS as a tiff
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Easily done unless some prefer to use ACR as the prime RAW editor.
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OP uses both LR and CS6 but you are correct does use LR more.
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He is converting the Raw in Lightroom

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Zee Char said:
Don Lacy said:
Zeee said:
  • Zee Char wrote:
Don Lacy said:
Couldn't you save the converted file as a tiff or PSD and then open in PS. When I use DPP I send the files straight to PS as a tiff
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Easily done unless some prefer to use ACR as the prime RAW editor.
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OP uses both LR and CS6 but you are correct does use LR more.
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Forgot to say the LR 6.9 that gives you RAW 9.9 is not that expensive to update.
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He is converting the Raw in Lightroom

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http://www.witnessnature.net/
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Yes, you can even open JPEGs in ACR but my point is that you have lost all the advantages of shooting in raw, such as exposure latitude, white balance adjustment etc etc.
 
Graham Meale said:
Dale Garman said:
However there is a workaround, although a bit clunky. If works ok for me since Iuse PS so rarely. Output the images from LR into DNG format (assuming you have updated LR software) and then you can use them in PS.
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This is what I do, as I refuse to be forced into Adobe's cloud.
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If it really is a "refusal to be forced", i.e. on principle rather than anything else, I can't help feeling you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Adobe has moved to a subscription model which is much easier to budget for than the huge initial cost of Photoshop and Lightroom years ago. (I literally had to take out a bank loan for my first copy in the 1990s). Updates are frequent, useful, and no longer tied to a large upgrade fee - I used to really resent being forced to upgrade to get support for a new camera (extra expense just when I could least afford it), now I have it automatically as soon as it is released.

Adobe did themselves no favours with the name "Creative Cloud". The word "cloud" suggests to many a loss of control, but CC is not in fact a cloud service, it's perfectly normal traditional software with an excellent internet-based update system.
 
Graham Meale said:
Yes, you can even open JPEGs in ACR but my point is that you have lost all the advantages of shooting in raw, such as exposure latitude, white balance adjustment etc etc.
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Steve Balcombe said:
Graham Meale said:
Dale Garman said:
However there is a workaround, although a bit clunky. If works ok for me since Iuse PS so rarely. Output the images from LR into DNG format (assuming you have updated LR software) and then you can use them in PS.
Click to expand...
This is what I do, as I refuse to be forced into Adobe's cloud.
Click to expand...
If it really is a "refusal to be forced", i.e. on principle rather than anything else, I can't help feeling you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Adobe has moved to a subscription model which is much easier to budget for than the huge initial cost of Photoshop and Lightroom years ago. (I literally had to take out a bank loan for my first copy in the 1990s). Updates are frequent, useful, and no longer tied to a large upgrade fee - I used to really resent being forced to upgrade to get support for a new camera (extra expense just when I could least afford it), now I have it automatically as soon as it is released.

Adobe did themselves no favours with the name "Creative Cloud". The word "cloud" suggests to many a loss of control, but CC is not in fact a cloud service, it's perfectly normal traditional software with an excellent internet-based update system.
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Don Lacy said:
Steve Balcombe said:
Graham Meale said:
Dale Garman said:
However there is a workaround, although a bit clunky. If works ok for me since Iuse PS so rarely. Output the images from LR into DNG format (assuming you have updated LR software) and then you can use them in PS.
Click to expand...
This is what I do, as I refuse to be forced into Adobe's cloud.
Click to expand...
If it really is a "refusal to be forced", i.e. on principle rather than anything else, I can't help feeling you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Adobe has moved to a subscription model which is much easier to budget for than the huge initial cost of Photoshop and Lightroom years ago. (I literally had to take out a bank loan for my first copy in the 1990s). Updates are frequent, useful, and no longer tied to a large upgrade fee - I used to really resent being forced to upgrade to get support for a new camera (extra expense just when I could least afford it), now I have it automatically as soon as it is released.

Adobe did themselves no favours with the name "Creative Cloud". The word "cloud" suggests to many a loss of control, but CC is not in fact a cloud service, it's perfectly normal traditional software with an excellent internet-based update system.
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If you stop paying the monthly fee do you lose access to the software?
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From https://helpx.adobe.com/in/creative-cloud/faq.html
  • What happens to my photos if I end my membership?
  • You'll still have access to all your photos on your local hard drive through Lightroom for the desktop. You can continue to import and organize photos as well as output your edited photos through Export, Publish, Print, Web, or Slideshow. Access to the Develop & Map modules and Lightroom for mobile are not available after your membership ends.
I believe Photoshop access simply stops. You will still have all your files of course, and the PSD format is supported by various other applications if necessary.
 
Graham Meale said:
Don Lacy said:
Graham Meale said:
Yes, you can even open JPEGs in ACR but my point is that you have lost all the advantages of shooting in raw, such as exposure latitude, white balance adjustment etc etc.

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PS is not a Raw converter any file sent to PS is no longer in the Raw format. ACR is the Raw converter used by PS and Lightroom. Any file sent to PS should already have all the adjustments you are talking about already applied during the conversion. The advantage of working on a Raw file in PS is that you can send them to PS as a 16 bit file unlike Jpegs which are 8 bit. The OP stated that his version of Lightroom supports the 5DMKIV files so I do not understand why after conversion he cannot open them in PS there is something missing in his workflow. I do not use Lightroom but I believe he should be able to send them to PS as a PSD or tiff file after conversion.

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I'm not sure whether you're agreeing with me or disagreeing. Someone said that if your version of ACR doesn't recognise 5D IV files, you can convert them to TIFF in DPP then do all your processing in Photoshop. My point was that to take full advantage of raw, you should do as much of your basic processing in the raw converter, because as soon as you go to TIFF, you're throwing data and processability away. With a 16-bit TIFF this is much less than an 8-bit JPEG, but it still matters.

I'm bored with this thread.
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I also discovered that CS6 will recognize camera default settings when you open a converted DNG file. I set my defaults in LR but since ACR is connected they automatically apply. Of course you can set this up in ACR well. It was a nice surprise as I had read DNG files would not do that.
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