Will Nikon or Canon offer full frame mirrorless cameras soon?

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Re: Will Nikon or Canon offer full frame mirrorless cameras soon?

Philnw2 wrote:

dgumshu wrote:

Philnw2 wrote:

davev8 wrote:

Philnw2 wrote:

dgumshu wrote:

Sunshine7913 wrote:

DSLR is dying and it has no advantage over mirrorless mostly. Basically it has no future. Canon might gonna announce mirrorless camera with same DSLR body. How come? Because they already have tons of lens for Canon FF camera. Put EVF, remove Pentaprism, and then apply live view technology and that's all. It's mirrorless camera and still can use current lenses. The question is do they have a technology for live view? Maybe for Canon but def not for Nikon. Sony already have superior AF algorithm and technology for mirrorless so it will be very challenging to compete with Sony cameras for a long time. At least 5~10 years I guess.

The EVF has advantages, but it's my understanding that the optical viewfinder is still better for viewing in low light situations. It may still be a while before we can say the DSLR has no future. Rumor is that Nikon will soon release the D820... will that be a mirrorless ? We'll soon find out.

However, canon rumors announced that Canon will release a FF mirrorless around Photokina 2018.

I just tested your premise with the OVF of my Pentax DSLR K3, pentaprism with an f2.8 lens compared to my A7rii FF with an F4 lens. Looked at my living room with evening light and no lamps on. The OVF of the DSLR couldn't compare to the EVF of my Sony mirrorless which looked like daylight. The OVF could hardly show any details, while the mirrorless showed a ton of detail.

This makes me think you have never tried the modern EVF of a mirrorless. EVFs can electronically amplify the sensor signal, the OVF can't do that at all. I would guess that any of the modern mirrorless by Fuji, Canon, even the m4/3 will produce a brighter EVF than an OVF within a stop of two. Its no comparison.

Now if you want to make the point that the DSLR LiveView makes up for an EVF, I haven't tested that and can't address it.

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Phil B

Strange...i did think pentax was renowned for having good OVF ..i dont know i never see one ...i try a A7ii in the shop (i think.. it was the latest 24MP one) and i had a fuji XE-2 for a time and comparing to my 5Dmki to focus MF lenses ...as things get dark both the EVFs gain up and look much better ..no arguments....but at thing get real dark both the EVFs turned into a grainy mess and no way can you focus manually ...however the 5D although VERY dark in the VF you can still see bits of detail and although hard it is possible to attempt focusing....so i would say in lowish light the EVF is better but in darkness a good OVF if better

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My 5D IS a MK1 classic
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There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
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You are joking ....i have a sony nex ...i think the designers was an anti photographer sadist ...the only way to make it more less enjoyable to use would be to superglue a drawing pin to the shutter button...pin up
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In really dark conditions - that you referred to = i take out a small flashlight, shine it on what i want to focus on, the EVF sorts itself out and then i use mirrorless focusing aids - the focus peaking and/or magnify to focus manually - works slick. Course, by that time one is on a tripod, with either type of camera. So if you're doing long exposures in really dark conditons - flashlight is required for either situation. EVF wins, IMO.

Phil B

Phil,

How does your EVF perform in tracking fast moving subjects in low light... not complete darkness, but just before the sun goes down?

The word was that it wasn't very good. However, the new a9 looks like it may have addressed the action speed issue.

A good question. I was in Ocean Shores, WA, exactly a month ago, taking evening shots along the beach at 7:30 to 8pm. I was using a slow adapted a-mount lens on the A7rii : Sony 70-400 G2 f4 to f5.6, usually at f5.6 and 300-400mm. I would say that its tracking is "usable" for landscapers like myself - i doubt that its up to Canikon tracking, esp. without faster lenses. It actually did better than i thought it would, but I wouldn't place any money on a bet I salivate over the idea of an A9 but would be unwilling to give up my 42mp.

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Phil B

Give it up?  Why?  You need a back up, don't you?    Every guy needs a back up...

I'm waiting for more reviews on the a9, especially with the Metabones V adapter and Canon glass.  DPReview just posted an article about the a9 DR, which, according to them, isn't up to Sony A7R ll standards.  However, I'm waiting for more on that too. Only time will tell, but it looks like it's an amazing body.  I would not mind having one as a back up too.  The "No Black Out" and blazing FPS is intriguing.

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