Will Nikon or Canon offer full frame mirrorless cameras soon?

Started Aug 5, 2016 | Discussions thread
Khun_K
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Re: Will Nikon or Canon offer full frame mirrorless cameras soon?
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scarlet knight wrote:

Any clues?

If the called leading companies wanted to continue be important in photography tools then they will have to adapt to market innovations and revolutions, electronic mirrorless concept as one example.

The trajectory of development and achievement, logically, shows that reflex development after decades, has closed to the practical mechanical limitation while the electronic mirrorless is still in its infancy and already show strong competitiveness, and continue to gain ground.  Certainly the mirrorless is not perfect, nor anything on earth, and if the mirrorless can address more photographic issues than reflex system than it is a superior system, it does not need to better on every aspect.  The truth is the new technology is where investor will get better returns so it is doubtful any serious investment will be pouring trying to push the mechanical production limitations that the market is becoming smaller and smaller - more expensive, and into niche category.  The development funding is going to be on what's next than what was there, which at the moment pointed to electronic mirrorless systems.

Canon is the pioneer when they introduced T-90 which pointed where they are moving and eventually introduced the whole-electronic system - the EOS, and by that they introduced the total electronic F mount (EF), while offer adaptation for the new EOS EF mount to accept older Canon lenses.  The EF was a bold and successful move, and it was able to accept any different lens mount because it is a bit shorter, and larger diameter so it was a bit niche back then people using EOS camera for Coxtax MM/ME, Kinoptic, Cooke, Leica R and Hasselblad lenses to name a few, so the lens adaptation for the newer lens adaptation is not all that new but of course being even shorter and smaller it opens up to much higher flexibility.

So logically, and of course by the pressure from their management boards and public shareholders - Canon and Nikon as a public company will have to do it and it is a matter of question of when and how.

The problems will goes back to the early day SONY E mount face - limited native lens choices, which SONY took years to slowly build it up, and now they have over 2 dozens and likely SONY will continue to push for more while Zeiss, and Sigma and Tamron will join, even Olympus is rumored to produce E mount lenses - because it is sort of the new lens mount to make.

So the short cut for Canon is a mirrorless body with their original EOS-EF mount that was designed for reflex system - so we will see a camera similar to Sigma SD Quattro with a protruded lens mount to make up the room, therefore accepting all existing EF lenses, so design of the camera body will be more limited, but perhaps it is something Canon can do it quickly but appears not a perfect solution.  But Canon needs to do it to buy themselves more time to ultimately introduce a more enduring solution.

Nikon has bigger problems because the F mount is a very old mount and Nikon has spent lots of effort by selling the concept that is not entirely true and steadily loosing ground as camera industry continue to move to electronic-dependency.  The original decision to retain F mount and introduce mechanical coupling to focus proved a huge pay for Nikon because they lost their edge on autofocus efficiency and lost the sports business to Canon and never can recover even they later have their electronic AF motor built-in lens and make the F mount more electronic but then we see all the varies F mounts introduced from time to time, and the latest being the E series - finally like the original EOS EF lens mount - but still with small lens mount diameter.  So Nikon's bigger problems is that no all modern Nikon camera can fully functional with older F lenses, and most likely the eventual mirrorless camera will be in F mount again, but may be only works best with the latest E lenses.  So what Nikon should really do is a entirely new lens mount or they will continue to inherit the old problem.  The new mount can be paired with a Nikon proprietary adapter to work on older F lenses anyway, and take time to build new lens for optimized performance.

The funny thing is, now SONY is finally has the higher hand, and with all the smart adapters available and likely will be more to come, whatever Canon or Nikon will introduce that is so-called mirrorless-optimized will also be useful on SONY E mount makes SONY a even more stronger competitor.

I use Nikon F3 and non-stop to F5, to D1/D1X to current D810, Canon EOS-1 non-stop to 1D  and all the way to 5DS, and SONY from NEX-7 non-stop to current A7R2, all with good collection of lenses. They are all great camera systems with very good lens choices.  On a capable hand I suspect anyone can tell difference of final image from any of them, or for that matter most of the leading cameras so image quality is no longer a really big challenge for any of them, or for any camera maker.  But - how each system can better cope with future of photography will be the judgmental factor for their success.  By saying that, I do not think the voice maker is those who has decades experience, rather, it is the teenagers today that will make the camera maker successful, or not!

As a user, I cannot be more happy.

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