The one Ergonomic issue

How is the photo relevant if it isn't showing the problem when you actually hold the camera for use?

If your finger is below where the lens is closest to the grip then it is a different story. Little finger goes under the battery flap, think that's the key there isn't the height for 3 fingers.

Clear gap for me when I have a finger over the shutter button.



Cheers,
Andrew

I simply want to illustrate the space I was referring to. Sorry if you find that misleading.

andrewD2 said:

How is the photo relevant if it isn't showing the problem when you actually hold the camera for use?

If your finger is below where the lens is closest to the grip then it is a different story. Little finger goes under the battery flap, think that's the key there isn't the height for 3 fingers.

Clear gap for me when I have a finger over the shutter button.

Cheers,
Andrew

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too many cameras...

The problem is that the original A7 target, full frame and small and light system, 35mm pancake etc, ended up taking off in a completely different direction and we got the GM zooms and fast 85.

Personally I think the lens the size of the original 24-70/2.8 is a too big for even a 5DIII, better on a 1D. A 70-200/2.8 handles much better on a 1D size body.

So for me the ergonomics of the A7RII camera are fine, just with the 28/55/loxia/voightlander size lenses. The GMs don't make a lot of sense to me.

I found the vertical gripped A9 was pretty awful to hold, the vertical grip gets in the way.
They are trying to keep the original target of smaller size as well as grab the pro sport market. For me that needed two quite difference bodies.

Andrew

andrewD2 said:

The problem is that the original A7 target, full frame and small and light system, 35mm pancake etc, ended up taking off in a completely different direction and we got the GM zooms and fast 85.

Personally I think the lens the size of the original 24-70/2.8 is a too big for even a 5DIII, better on a 1D. A 70-200/2.8 handles much better on a 1D size body.
So for me the ergonomics of the A7RII camera are fine, just with the 28/55/loxia/voightlander size lenses. The GMs don't make a lot of sense to me.

I found the vertical gripped A9 was pretty awful to hold, the vertical grip gets in the way.
They are trying to keep the original target of smaller size as well as grab the pro sport market. For me that needed two quite difference bodies.
Andrew

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Very true, we are dealing with two complete opposite directions here, one group of user pushing for smaller and smaller form factor ( for a good reason though), one group looking for bigger form factor ( for another good reason), these two things just don't go together, one just have to find his/her tipping point and found the one fits him/her better based on each individual's priority. it's good we have all the choices now, I have both tiny camera like A7R II to large ones like 1Dx, and I use them for different occasion.

With that said I totally agree with you they do need some very different bodies, not just size wise but feature and price as well, but it seems like they already do, there is a A6500 and there is A9 both consider " sports. fast" camera, one aimed at maybe general consumer one for pro? and they also have the A99II out there as well for the other group of people don't care for mirrorless, we don't know how the real pro react to this new body, I guess time will tell when we come to the big games in 6 month to a year. this " migration" thing takes some time, for people own tens of thousand worth of lenses, myself included, switching is very very difficult, if you only own a body and few lens, who cares, just dump that and get a new system tomorrow, not so easy for the pros.

I would have similar issue, that's why I use only narrow lenses.

Well no, it's not the reason, but it's one of the reasons I stay away from zooms in the FE system...

Dan_168 said:

Even I have small hands, it's pretty painful to shoot with my A7R II handheld for a period of time, it's not just the space there, the shape of the tiny handgrip that is so uncomfortable, but i know that from day one i played with the camera in store, i bought mine specifically for landscape which is mostly used on tripod so not much of a issue for me, except when used in cold with gloves then adds another level of pain to operate those tiny wheels and buttons. But the tiny body does offer some benefit for those crazy long hike and climbs, so I use both 1D/D5 and A7R II for different applications.

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I totally accept that this is your experience. However mine is the opposite.

I don't have particularly small hands (for an adult male) but they're not huge either. However I don't find the a7rii uncomfortable to shoot with, even for relatively long periods, and even with bulkier lenses.

I stop short of shooting hand-held with adapted Sigma zooms such as the 120-300 f2.8 and their 150-600, but that would be the case regardless of the camera body...