M5 Pricing

csxfan · May 10, 2017

nnowak said:
ZedDoctor said:

nnowak said:

How exactly are the OP's comments "trolling". Everything he wrote in his comments/question are true and frankly unbiased. The M5 and T7i use virtually identical hardware, yet the M5 costs roughly 25% more. The M6, which uses less hardware than either camera still costs 10% more than a T7i.

Asking "Why" is a legitimate question.

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If you go look at his other comments, he bashes all the new Canon cameras for not having micro-adjustments and that Sony is the better choice.

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I read a lot of his posts and they were all well reasoned and polite. And he's right, all new Canon cameras should have MFA.

nnowak said:

That, and being that he hasn't replied to any of the comments on thread for clarification or to ask anything else from the users.

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He probably hasn't responded because no one has answered his initial question. The responses have ranged from the typically rude "then don't buy it" to "it looks reasonable compared to other mirrorless systems, especially if you consider lens cost"

Outside of camera size, not a single person has been able to offer a justifiable performance/usability reason for the M5's 25% price premium.

nnowak said:

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The problem is the m5 is being compared to a dslr. Basically canons entry level line. If the rebel series suits your needs the buy it. The m is not canons cheap mirror less line. Mirrorless icls systems command a premium right now cause that what the market is driving. It not the most expensive it's not the least expensive.

The 7ti is in a different class than the m. Mirrored vs mirrorless. Now if canon offered multiple mirrorless levels than this could be justified. Seriously what should there be a price drop when they are not in the same class... mirrorless vs dslr.

Funny.. I don't see 80d users complaining over the 77d. Also do you really think a sl2 is going to be that much better to jump the 80d.

If 9fps slide to focus evf and smaller size can't please you then... oh well there is always Sony and fuji... they have their issues too. And for me that's a fair trade.

MikeJ9116 · May 10, 2017

csxfan said:
MikeJ9116 said:

You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. There is not a camera in the M line that is decent at action shots. The M5 is much better than its predecessors but Canon chose to dumb it down for some reason. The proof is in the photos posted in the forums. I am happy for those who are pleased with their M cameras. I am just not part of that crowd and for legitimate reasons.

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Search around... there are action shot. Have u spent time with the m5 or basing it on your m3 and other forum opinions. And I ask you... why don't you post some pics and see if you can get help with the m3

If you haven't spent time with the m5... welll......

I have seen/read enough in this forum to know I will not spend anywhere near $1,000 on the M5. If the price drops about 1/3 then I will check it out further. If the SL2 shows up then I am done with the EOS M line altogether.

MikeJ9116 · May 10, 2017

csxfan said:
nnowak said:

csxfan said:

Venkat S said:

csxfan said:

If you haven't spent time with the m5... welll......

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Have you spent time with the m5? If you have, can you post samples of your action shots?

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Nice try... if uve read my posts I have an eos m.. the camera that was so hated for poor af. I've done train and plane shots with that... high speed trains by the way... not at museums.

To proudly say my son has an m5 and I've used that too. So if your trying to call me out.. nice try.

Why don't u ask the op and other downers to post their problem pics or describe what they don't like first. Easier to attack the supporter but harder to get anything out of the complainers.

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What OP are you referring to? The OP of this thread merely brought up the price of the M5 and did not mention anything about performance except to say it should be similar to the latest Rebels.

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Sorry directed to mike

What is the purpose of me posting a bunch of out of focus photos from an M3 and what would it prove? The focus issues with the M3 are well documented here.

MikeJ9116 · May 10, 2017

csxfan said:
ZedDoctor said:

Obviously the OP is trolling the Canon forums.

First in the 7D/10-80D forum, than the Rebel forum, and now our M forum.

Let's all step back, have a beverage, and enjoy our cameras!

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csxfan · May 10, 2017

MikeJ9116 said:
csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. There is not a camera in the M line that is decent at action shots. The M5 is much better than its predecessors but Canon chose to dumb it down for some reason. The proof is in the photos posted in the forums. I am happy for those who are pleased with their M cameras. I am just not part of that crowd and for legitimate reasons.

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Search around... there are action shot. Have u spent time with the m5 or basing it on your m3 and other forum opinions. And I ask you... why don't you post some pics and see if you can get help with the m3

If you haven't spent time with the m5... welll......

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I have seen/read enough in this forum to know I will not spend anywhere near $1,000 on the M5

Thank you.... you've proven my point. So why havenot u posted your issues for help.show some missed shots and have people give suggestions.

MikeJ9116 said:
. If the price drops about 1/3 then I will check it out further. If the SL2 shows up then I am done with the EOS M line altogether.

No u wont.... sl2 will be priced at or above m5... iwon't be to ur liking cause it is their entry level xxd. Won't cripple 77d o

So u don't want to post any issues u have with the m3 for help. Typical........ oh well

csxfan · May 10, 2017

MikeJ9116 said:
csxfan said:

ZedDoctor said:

Obviously the OP is trolling the Canon forums.

First in the 7D/10-80D forum, than the Rebel forum, and now our M forum.

Let's all step back, have a beverage, and enjoy our cameras!

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MikeJ9116 · May 10, 2017

csxfan said:
MikeJ9116 said:

csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. There is not a camera in the M line that is decent at action shots. The M5 is much better than its predecessors but Canon chose to dumb it down for some reason. The proof is in the photos posted in the forums. I am happy for those who are pleased with their M cameras. I am just not part of that crowd and for legitimate reasons.

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Search around... there are action shot. Have u spent time with the m5 or basing it on your m3 and other forum opinions. And I ask you... why don't you post some pics and see if you can get help with the m3

If you haven't spent time with the m5... welll......

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I have seen/read enough in this forum to know I will not spend anywhere near $1,000 on the M5

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Thank you.... you've proven my point. So why havenot u posted your issues for help.show some missed shots and have people give suggestions.

You need to hone up on your debating skills if you think this is a winning moment for you. I can tell by the content of M5 photos posted here that it is no where near being an action camera.

csxfan said:
csxfan said:

. If the price drops about 1/3 then I will check it out further. If the SL2 shows up then I am done with the EOS M line altogether.

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No u wont.... sl2 will be priced at or above m5... iwon't be to ur liking cause it is their entry level xxd. Won't cripple 77d o

I would bet a lot of money on an SL2 being a far better camera at taking action shots than an M5.

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So u don't want to post any issues u have with the m3 for help. Typical........ oh well

There is no helping the deficiencies of the M3 unless you can rewrite its firmware for starters. I have enough experience with photography to know when your gear just isn't up to certain tasks and the M3 is just a dog slow camera. You can't make a turtle run faster than a rabbit no matter what the folk tales say.

nnowak · May 10, 2017

csxfan said:
MikeJ9116 said:

csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. There is not a camera in the M line that is decent at action shots. The M5 is much better than its predecessors but Canon chose to dumb it down for some reason. The proof is in the photos posted in the forums. I am happy for those who are pleased with their M cameras. I am just not part of that crowd and for legitimate reasons.

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Search around... there are action shot. Have u spent time with the m5 or basing it on your m3 and other forum opinions. And I ask you... why don't you post some pics and see if you can get help with the m3

If you haven't spent time with the m5... welll......

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I have seen/read enough in this forum to know I will not spend anywhere near $1,000 on the M5

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Thank you.... you've proven my point. So why havenot u posted your issues for help.show some missed shots and have people give suggestions.

csxfan said:

. If the price drops about 1/3 then I will check it out further. If the SL2 shows up then I am done with the EOS M line altogether.

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No u wont.... sl2 will be priced at or above m5...

No chance. The SL1 was $100 less than the T5i that launched the same day. That would make the SL2 cheaper than the current T7i which is already $200 less than an M5

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iwon't be to ur liking cause it is their entry level xxd. Won't cripple 77d o

So u don't want to post any issues u have with the m3 for help. Typical........ oh well

nnowak · May 10, 2017

ZedDoctor said:
nnowak said:

ZedDoctor said:

nnowak said:

How exactly are the OP's comments "trolling". Everything he wrote in his comments/question are true and frankly unbiased. The M5 and T7i use virtually identical hardware, yet the M5 costs roughly 25% more. The M6, which uses less hardware than either camera still costs 10% more than a T7i.

Asking "Why" is a legitimate question.

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If you go look at his other comments, he bashes all the new Canon cameras for not having micro-adjustments and that Sony is the better choice.

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I read a lot of his posts and they were all well reasoned and polite. And he's right, all new Canon cameras should have MFA.

ZedDoctor said:

That, and being that he hasn't replied to any of the comments on thread for clarification or to ask anything else from the users.

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He probably hasn't responded because no one has answered his initial question. The responses have ranged from the typically rude "then don't buy it" to "it looks reasonable compared to other mirrorless systems, especially if you consider lens cost"

Outside of camera size, not a single person has been able to offer a justifiable performance/usability reason for the M5's 25% price premium.

ZedDoctor said:

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"Earth with out art is just eh."

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Do you believe the 80D is over-priced now that the T7I and 77D are released?

Not at all. The 80D has a much more robust body with some weather sealing, a higher magnification pentaprism viewfinder instead of a dim and dark pentamirror finder, a faster and deeper burst capability, and a larger 5D/6D battery.

All of those features are hardware based and cost money to add to a camera.

ZedDoctor said:
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"Earth with out art is just eh."

MikeJ9116 · May 10, 2017

csxfan said:
MikeJ9116 said:

csxfan said:

ZedDoctor said:

Obviously the OP is trolling the Canon forums.

First in the 7D/10-80D forum, than the Rebel forum, and now our M forum.

Let's all step back, have a beverage, and enjoy our cameras!

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"Earth with out art is just eh."

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Op and a few others too....

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So anyone that legitimately disagrees with you is a troll?

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You really haven't spelled out ur reasons of why u hate ur m3. You just come on bash and gripe. You put down other posts and say it's not correct with their pics. You haven't posted any of ur pics that prove ur point. U bash a system that u haven't even tried

Have you not been reading what I posted? IT IS SLOW!!!! Name almost any area and the M3 is slow at doing it. Focus is slow, shutter reaction is slow, fps is slow, bracketing is ridiculously slow, focus acquisition is slow, focus tracking is a joke, the spot focus box is the size of Nebraska. How are these for starters?

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Also I never called u a troll by name now did i.I just said there are others. If it hit home.... well I'm sorry that u feel that way.

I would respect you more if you just said it directly instead of throwing out insinuations. If you are going to make the accusations then man-up and name names.

ZedDoctor · May 10, 2017

nnowak said:
ZedDoctor said:

nnowak said:

ZedDoctor said:

nnowak said:

How exactly are the OP's comments "trolling". Everything he wrote in his comments/question are true and frankly unbiased. The M5 and T7i use virtually identical hardware, yet the M5 costs roughly 25% more. The M6, which uses less hardware than either camera still costs 10% more than a T7i.

Asking "Why" is a legitimate question.

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If you go look at his other comments, he bashes all the new Canon cameras for not having micro-adjustments and that Sony is the better choice.

Click to expand...

I read a lot of his posts and they were all well reasoned and polite. And he's right, all new Canon cameras should have MFA.

nnowak said:

That, and being that he hasn't replied to any of the comments on thread for clarification or to ask anything else from the users.

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He probably hasn't responded because no one has answered his initial question. The responses have ranged from the typically rude "then don't buy it" to "it looks reasonable compared to other mirrorless systems, especially if you consider lens cost"

Outside of camera size, not a single person has been able to offer a justifiable performance/usability reason for the M5's 25% price premium.

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ZedDoctor · May 10, 2017

MikeJ9116 said:
csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. There is not a camera in the M line that is decent at action shots. The M5 is much better than its predecessors but Canon chose to dumb it down for some reason. The proof is in the photos posted in the forums. I am happy for those who are pleased with their M cameras. I am just not part of that crowd and for legitimate reasons.

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Search around... there are action shot. Have u spent time with the m5 or basing it on your m3 and other forum opinions. And I ask you... why don't you post some pics and see if you can get help with the m3

If you haven't spent time with the m5... welll......

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I have seen/read enough in this forum to know I will not spend anywhere near $1,000 on the M5

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Thank you.... you've proven my point. So why havenot u posted your issues for help.show some missed shots and have people give suggestions.

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You need to hone up on your debating skills if you think this is a winning moment for you. I can tell by the content of M5 photos posted here that it is no where near being an action camera.

MikeJ9116 said:

MikeJ9116 said:

. If the price drops about 1/3 then I will check it out further. If the SL2 shows up then I am done with the EOS M line altogether.

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No u wont.... sl2 will be priced at or above m5... iwon't be to ur liking cause it is their entry level xxd. Won't cripple 77d o

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I would bet a lot of money on an SL2 being a far better camera at taking action shots than an M5.

MikeJ9116 said:

So u don't want to post any issues u have with the m3 for help. Typical........ oh well

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There is no helping the deficiencies of the M3 unless you can rewrite its firmware for starters. I have enough experience with photography to know when your gear just isn't up to certain tasks and the M3 is just a dog slow camera. You can't make a turtle run faster than a rabbit no matter what the folk tales say.

Since the 80D, M5, T7I, and 77D all have the same autofocus system, are those not action cameras as well?

SL2 will likely have same 49 point all cross type AF system.

nnowak · May 10, 2017

csxfan said:
nnowak said:

ZedDoctor said:

nnowak said:

How exactly are the OP's comments "trolling". Everything he wrote in his comments/question are true and frankly unbiased. The M5 and T7i use virtually identical hardware, yet the M5 costs roughly 25% more. The M6, which uses less hardware than either camera still costs 10% more than a T7i.

Asking "Why" is a legitimate question.

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If you go look at his other comments, he bashes all the new Canon cameras for not having micro-adjustments and that Sony is the better choice.

Click to expand...

I read a lot of his posts and they were all well reasoned and polite. And he's right, all new Canon cameras should have MFA.

csxfan said:

That, and being that he hasn't replied to any of the comments on thread for clarification or to ask anything else from the users.

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He probably hasn't responded because no one has answered his initial question. The responses have ranged from the typically rude "then don't buy it" to "it looks reasonable compared to other mirrorless systems, especially if you consider lens cost"

Outside of camera size, not a single person has been able to offer a justifiable performance/usability reason for the M5's 25% price premium.

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nnowak · May 10, 2017

ZedDoctor said:
MikeJ9116 said:

csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. There is not a camera in the M line that is decent at action shots. The M5 is much better than its predecessors but Canon chose to dumb it down for some reason. The proof is in the photos posted in the forums. I am happy for those who are pleased with their M cameras. I am just not part of that crowd and for legitimate reasons.

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Search around... there are action shot. Have u spent time with the m5 or basing it on your m3 and other forum opinions. And I ask you... why don't you post some pics and see if you can get help with the m3

If you haven't spent time with the m5... welll......

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I have seen/read enough in this forum to know I will not spend anywhere near $1,000 on the M5

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Thank you.... you've proven my point. So why havenot u posted your issues for help.show some missed shots and have people give suggestions.

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You need to hone up on your debating skills if you think this is a winning moment for you. I can tell by the content of M5 photos posted here that it is no where near being an action camera.

ZedDoctor said:

ZedDoctor said:

. If the price drops about 1/3 then I will check it out further. If the SL2 shows up then I am done with the EOS M line altogether.

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No u wont.... sl2 will be priced at or above m5... iwon't be to ur liking cause it is their entry level xxd. Won't cripple 77d o

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I would bet a lot of money on an SL2 being a far better camera at taking action shots than an M5.

ZedDoctor said:

So u don't want to post any issues u have with the m3 for help. Typical........ oh well

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There is no helping the deficiencies of the M3 unless you can rewrite its firmware for starters. I have enough experience with photography to know when your gear just isn't up to certain tasks and the M3 is just a dog slow camera. You can't make a turtle run faster than a rabbit no matter what the folk tales say.

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Since the 80D, M5, T7I, and 77D all have the same autofocus system, are those not action cameras as well?

The M5 does not have a 49 point phase detect AF system.

ZedDoctor said:
SL2 will likely have same 49 point all cross type AF system.

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"Earth with out art is just eh."

csxfan · May 10, 2017

MikeJ9116 said:
csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. There is not a camera in the M line that is decent at action shots. The M5 is much better than its predecessors but Canon chose to dumb it down for some reason. The proof is in the photos posted in the forums. I am happy for those who are pleased with their M cameras. I am just not part of that crowd and for legitimate reasons.

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Search around... there are action shot. Have u spent time with the m5 or basing it on your m3 and other forum opinions. And I ask you... why don't you post some pics and see if you can get help with the m3

If you haven't spent time with the m5... welll......

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I have seen/read enough in this forum to know I will not spend anywhere near $1,000 on the M5

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Thank you.... you've proven my point. So why havenot u posted your issues for help.show some missed shots and have people give suggestions.

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You need to hone up on your debating skills if you think this is a winning moment for you. I can tell by the content of M5 photos posted here that it is no where near being an action camera.

No I thanked u for proving my point uve never shot with one and all those photos don't meet u r criteria. And I don't recall canon ever marketing as such. Yep seen it on the Internet so it must be so.

MikeJ9116 said:
MikeJ9116 said:

MikeJ9116 said:

. If the price drops about 1/3 then I will check it out further. If the SL2 shows up then I am done with the EOS M line altogether.

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No u wont.... sl2 will be priced at or above m5... iwon't be to ur liking cause it is their entry level xxd. Won't cripple 77d o

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I would bet a lot of money on an SL2 being a far better camera at taking action shots than an M5.

MikeJ9116 said:

So u don't want to post any issues u have with the m3 for help. Typical........ oh well

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There is no helping the deficiencies of the M3 unless you can rewrite its firmware for starters. I have enough experience with photography to know when your gear just isn't up to certain tasks and the M3 is just a dog slow camera.

OK so it's too slow for u. Good. Getting a reason now. This sounds so much like a rehashed my 6d cant do this story. I also guess you didnt really do ur research or u would have purchased an sl1. My m is slower than urs and I've been very happy with it.I know it's slow... I know my write times are slow... I know my raw buffer is small..... I know my auto focus can be a pain..... but you know what... I like the challange.. and that's what my photography experience has taught me... adapt.

MikeJ9116 said:
You can't make a turtle run faster than a rabbit no matter what the folk tales say.

So u r m3 is too slow for ur needs. Did u research the m3 before purchase. I'm sure 5 minutes in the store would have been enough time for u. Ur also not happy with m lenses. Why not get an sl1 now..... rock bottom cheap from canon referb. It would make a nice transitional camera until the sl2 comes out.

ZedDoctor · May 10, 2017

nnowak said:
ZedDoctor said:

MikeJ9116 said:

csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

csxfan said:

MikeJ9116 said:

You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. There is not a camera in the M line that is decent at action shots. The M5 is much better than its predecessors but Canon chose to dumb it down for some reason. The proof is in the photos posted in the forums. I am happy for those who are pleased with their M cameras. I am just not part of that crowd and for legitimate reasons.

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Search around... there are action shot. Have u spent time with the m5 or basing it on your m3 and other forum opinions. And I ask you... why don't you post some pics and see if you can get help with the m3

If you haven't spent time with the m5... welll......

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I have seen/read enough in this forum to know I will not spend anywhere near $1,000 on the M5

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Thank you.... you've proven my point. So why havenot u posted your issues for help.show some missed shots and have people give suggestions.

Click to expand...

You need to hone up on your debating skills if you think this is a winning moment for you. I can tell by the content of M5 photos posted here that it is no where near being an action camera.

nnowak said:

nnowak said:

. If the price drops about 1/3 then I will check it out further. If the SL2 shows up then I am done with the EOS M line altogether.

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No u wont.... sl2 will be priced at or above m5... iwon't be to ur liking cause it is their entry level xxd. Won't cripple 77d o

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I would bet a lot of money on an SL2 being a far better camera at taking action shots than an M5.

nnowak said:

So u don't want to post any issues u have with the m3 for help. Typical........ oh well

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There is no helping the deficiencies of the M3 unless you can rewrite its firmware for starters. I have enough experience with photography to know when your gear just isn't up to certain tasks and the M3 is just a dog slow camera. You can't make a turtle run faster than a rabbit no matter what the folk tales say.

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Since the 80D, M5, T7I, and 77D all have the same autofocus system, are those not action cameras as well?

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The M5 does not have a 49 point phase detect AF system.

nnowak said:

SL2 will likely have same 49 point all cross type AF system.

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nnowak · May 10, 2017

ZedDoctor said:
nnowak said:

ZedDoctor said:

nnowak said:

ZedDoctor said:

nnowak said:

How exactly are the OP's comments "trolling". Everything he wrote in his comments/question are true and frankly unbiased. The M5 and T7i use virtually identical hardware, yet the M5 costs roughly 25% more. The M6, which uses less hardware than either camera still costs 10% more than a T7i.

Asking "Why" is a legitimate question.

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If you go look at his other comments, he bashes all the new Canon cameras for not having micro-adjustments and that Sony is the better choice.

Click to expand...

I read a lot of his posts and they were all well reasoned and polite. And he's right, all new Canon cameras should have MFA.

ZedDoctor said:

That, and being that he hasn't replied to any of the comments on thread for clarification or to ask anything else from the users.

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He probably hasn't responded because no one has answered his initial question. The responses have ranged from the typically rude "then don't buy it" to "it looks reasonable compared to other mirrorless systems, especially if you consider lens cost"

Outside of camera size, not a single person has been able to offer a justifiable performance/usability reason for the M5's 25% price premium.

ZedDoctor said:

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"Earth with out art is just eh."

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Do you believe the 80D is over-priced now that the T7I and 77D are released?

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Not at all. The 80D has a much more robust body with some weather sealing, a higher magnification pentaprism viewfinder instead of a dim and dark pentamirror finder, a faster and deeper burst capability, and a larger 5D/6D battery.

All of those features are hardware based and cost money to add to a camera.

ZedDoctor said:

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"Earth with out art is just eh."

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So just for clarification, a 100% coverage EVF, smaller form factor, access to another mount and lenses, and slightly faster FPS doesn't justify some sort of price increase over a rebel camera?

Well, you asked specifically about the 80D vs T7i, but I can answer this question too.

First, the OP specifically took size out of the equation. The M5 can do 7fps with AF vs 6fps on a T7i. The moving mirror is likely the limitation on the T7i and the higher rate of the M5 is not due to more advanced hardware. All of the EF-M lenses have EF-S analogues, and the EF-S versions are generally less expensive. Regardless though, the EF-M mount does not cost more to build into a camera than the EF-S mount.

That leaves the viewfinder as the only tangible difference between the two cameras. The T7i includes a mechanical moving mirror, phase detect AF array, and a pentamirror viewfinder. All of those components require precision mechanical alignment. In lieu of that hardware and the associated assembly requirements, the M5 uses an electronic viewfinder that does not require critical placement. Based on the price differential between an M5 and M6, the EVF is at most $150, but there are other hardware pieces in an M5 that are omitted from and M6.

Plain and simple... it costs Canon less to build an M5 than a T7i.

So, No. I don't see any justification for the 25% price increase.

ZedDoctor said:
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"Earth with out art is just eh."

csxfan · May 10, 2017

nnowak said:
csxfan said:

nnowak said:

ZedDoctor said:

nnowak said:

How exactly are the OP's comments "trolling". Everything he wrote in his comments/question are true and frankly unbiased. The M5 and T7i use virtually identical hardware, yet the M5 costs roughly 25% more. The M6, which uses less hardware than either camera still costs 10% more than a T7i.

Asking "Why" is a legitimate question.

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If you go look at his other comments, he bashes all the new Canon cameras for not having micro-adjustments and that Sony is the better choice.

Click to expand...

I read a lot of his posts and they were all well reasoned and polite. And he's right, all new Canon cameras should have MFA.

nnowak said:

That, and being that he hasn't replied to any of the comments on thread for clarification or to ask anything else from the users.

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He probably hasn't responded because no one has answered his initial question. The responses have ranged from the typically rude "then don't buy it" to "it looks reasonable compared to other mirrorless systems, especially if you consider lens cost"

Outside of camera size, not a single person has been able to offer a justifiable performance/usability reason for the M5's 25% price premium.

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The problem is the m5 is being compared to a dslr. Basically canons entry level line. If the rebel series suits your needs the buy it. The m is not canons cheap mirror less line. Mirrorless icls systems command a premium right now cause that what the market is driving. It not the most expensive it's not the least expensive.

The 7ti is in a different class than the m. Mirrored vs mirrorless. Now if canon offered multiple mirrorless levels than this could be justified. Seriously what should there be a price drop when they are not in the same class... mirrorless vs dslr.

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So, removing hardware makes a camera more expensive? The idea of "class" and "mirrorless vs DSLR" are completely irrelevant.

Not on the forums. Remember most of the logic is forum based in this topic. cropped is divided into mirror less and dslr based. 2 different markets. Marketed as such.

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What matters is the camera's capabilities. Charging $2000 for an M5 would not suddenly put it in the same "class" as an A7.

No.. full frame vs cropped.. all a subset of camera. subset digital and so on. All marketing hype but heck seem to be the direction leading conversations.

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Funny.. I don't see 80d users complaining over the 77d. Also do you really think a sl2 is going to be that much better to jump the 80d.

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The 80D has a much more robust body with some weather sealing, a higher magnification pentaprism viewfinder instead of a dim and dark pentamirror finder, a faster and deeper burst capability, and a larger 5D/6D battery.

All of those features are hardware based and cost money to add to a camera.

Evf is not then. It's hardware based.

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Not sure what an imaginary SL2 has to do with this discussion.

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