olympus america on ebay

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I doubt that they have shills. I think that is from your imagination.
They do however, have a good reputation and lots of folks watching their stuff.

Good luck with your bidding.
I have been trying to snag a tcon-300 on ebay from olympus america,
but
it seems like thay have shills driving up the prices???? anybody
ever notice that on ebay?
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I don;t know about Olympus using shills, but others certainly do--I've seen unique products get bid up, then reappear minutes after the bidding ended with a new auction. I use Ebay quite a bit and overall have had a very good experience but the shills are maddening. Just set a max price and don't deviate from it by getting caught up in the bidding---with Olympus offering their products regularly, you should eventually get it if you just set a reasonable maximum bid for yourself. --I've also seen people buy stuff for more than retail---
I don't think so. Last week one sold for only $325.00 and that was
a good price. You just have to catch the bidding on a slow week.

JoeD
I have been trying to snag a tcon-300 on ebay from olympus america,
but
it seems like thay have shills driving up the prices???? anybody
ever notice that on ebay?
Lou
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Well; thanks for the advice Joe..
I will hang in there..

The reason i think there are shills on there ebay olympusamerica is that they continuely have bidders with a 0 rating the keep bidding against themselves which just drives the price up.
I don't think so. Last week one sold for only $325.00 and that was
a good price. You just have to catch the bidding on a slow week.

JoeD
I have been trying to snag a tcon-300 on ebay from olympus america,
but
it seems like thay have shills driving up the prices???? anybody
ever notice that on ebay?
Lou
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Louis

You may want to present evidence to ebay about this. I doubt Oly is using shills, but if they are, ebay is supposed to and should take serious action.
Well; thanks for the advice Joe..
I will hang in there..

The reason i think there are shills on there ebay olympusamerica is
that they continuely have bidders with a 0 rating the keep bidding
against themselves which just drives the price up.
 
The reason i think there are shills on there ebay olympusamerica is
that they continuely have bidders with a 0 rating the keep bidding
against themselves which just drives the price up.
I don't think so. Last week one sold for only $325.00 and that was
a good price. You just have to catch the bidding on a slow week.

JoeD
I have been trying to snag a tcon-300 on ebay from olympus america,
but
it seems like thay have shills driving up the prices???? anybody
ever notice that on ebay?
Lou
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What you are probably seeing are people with sniping programs. They have a program in their computer which allows them to put a price in and it will not react until about the last minute of an auction unless their top bid gets beat. Sometimes you see sniper programs sniping each other and that is why the prices jump as it meets each snipers max bid and they also show 0 feedback against their names quite often. The only way to beat them is to out snipe the sniper and as stated above by others have your top price in mind and don't deviate. I have won many things off that site and always at better than normal auction prices by biding my time, watching the competion knowing what the item is going for and having a max price that I will pay. You win some you lose some but I have lost few that I wanted when I thought the time was right.
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I waited around for an E20 2 year warrantee and did not see anything unusual. I finally got one for about $50 which I thought was very reasonable. I saw no evidence to anyone not playing fair. I just waited for the right time. I had an Ebay rating of only 5
I have been trying to snag a tcon-300 on ebay from olympus america,
but
it seems like thay have shills driving up the prices???? anybody
ever notice that on ebay?
Lou
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I have a 100% rating on eBay with over 223 transactions. I am confident that Olympus America is not using shills. You should get a good snipe program, set a maximum bid and go for it.

If you have a broadband connection, set the snipe to go at the last 7 seconds. Be sure that your snipe program synchronizes with the eBay clock or it won't work. Stick to your maximum and if it is reasonable, you will win eventually.

Amateurs who haven't done much bidding are just driving up the price through their ignorance. Don't bid until the last second, then only for your maximum pre-determined limit.

Dave Dougherty
 
You don't even need to wait to the last second to bid--just set your maximum bid during the auction and no more. As stated in this thread, if its reasonable, you'll eventually win if the product is offered regularly like an Olympus product.
I have a 100% rating on eBay with over 223 transactions. I am
confident that Olympus America is not using shills. You should get
a good snipe program, set a maximum bid and go for it.

If you have a broadband connection, set the snipe to go at the last
7 seconds. Be sure that your snipe program synchronizes with the
eBay clock or it won't work. Stick to your maximum and if it is
reasonable, you will win eventually.

Amateurs who haven't done much bidding are just driving up the
price through their ignorance. Don't bid until the last second,
then only for your maximum pre-determined limit.

Dave Dougherty
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Frank from Phoenix
Olympus E20N; C5050; FL40; LiPo; Tripper 15 Gb, Pentax MZ-S
 
That's exactly what I was thinking and how I'm doing it- I set my maximum price, set it and forget it. Next time I will look in there, I rather did win, or I did not.

Sometimes it's sad, that it went for only a dollar over my maximum bid- but then you have to realize- maybe the other's highest bid was much higher- so you still would not have won it.
And some of the e-bay buyers are crazy- they pay more then retail.

Olympususa is fair- they have fair shipping costs, but you have to keep in mind, that you have to pay taxes in each state of the USA that has state-taxes- because they have offices in each of those states- but they clearly state that- just be aware.

I bought 3 times from the emporium so far, and it is allways my first look, if I feel the urge to shop around on the internet.

They just start to get known too good, so the prices rise, because many people look there- the interesting articles come again and again- just get aware what your maximum price is, and try several times, until you find an auction that is not flooded with people wanting the same thing.

I'm not sure though, if this automatic bidding system works for European Ebay servers as well.
 
As others have mentioned, I watch alot of the Olympus America auctions and I bid on a few. I have never seen so many new ebay members with 0 feedback as I have on Olympus's auctions. Almost everytime I look at one of their auctions, the high bidder at the time has 0 feedback but that person rarely wins. It does seem odd.

Also as others have brought up, people will bid some stuff up higher than retail! I do not understand that at all. I've seen some of Oly's refurbs. sell for more than the same model camera would sell for new online. That's stupid.

However, I did snag a deal from Oly on an E-series 2 yr ext. warranty for around $50 last week. But to my shock, I saw one sell for $30 yesterday.lol That is downright CHEAP!!!!

-Jason
 
As others have mentioned, I watch alot of the Olympus America
auctions and I bid on a few. I have never seen so many new ebay
members with 0 feedback as I have on Olympus's auctions. Almost
everytime I look at one of their auctions, the high bidder at the
time has 0 feedback but that person rarely wins. It does seem odd.

Also as others have brought up, people will bid some stuff up
higher than retail! I do not understand that at all. I've seen some
of Oly's refurbs. sell for more than the same model camera would
sell for new online. That's stupid.

However, I did snag a deal from Oly on an E-series 2 yr ext.
warranty for around $50 last week. But to my shock, I saw one sell
for $30 yesterday.lol That is downright CHEAP!!!!

-Jason
As I stated earlier a lot of the 0 ratings are people using sniping programs. While not illegal can be very annoying and you can tell who they are quite often by when their bid was actually entered relative to yours and others and there bid will not pop in until you exceed their maximum sniping bid or at the end of the auction when their pre programmed max beats yours though posted days earlier. As mentioned by another on this thread it can pop in with only a few seconds left. I learned this lesson early and a lot of them are people who run their own e-bay sites and are just looking to snafu a good deal while some who just really want the item. I have a bought a lot of the Oly auction site and the products are top notch, like new and their service has been A-1 even when the odd situation has developed they have bent over backwards to resolve it. I also like the thrill of winning an auction on my own without the use of sniping program but that's me. Patience is a virtue and you may have to go through a few auctions before you get one just don't sucked in like some do who end paying more than necessary. Have your max in mind and stick with it.

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I see that some feel they can enter their max. bid early in an Auction and it makes not difference. I disagree as persons bidding up to this will raise the high bid and then there is more time for thought (from other bidders). I Sell more then Buy on Ebay but I believe that those who bid smart are in with there highest bid at the last, and they split their proxy. Splitting your proxy can save you $ and you can beat out the other guy in the last few seconds although he bid more then you. You win because yours was the highest first proxy and they did not jump by enough of a raise.

Example - You decide that you will bid max. 800.00 on an item that has bids going up by (let us just say) 50.00. You get in with a proxy with 10 sec left and bid 759.01. the other guy sees it jump but it only shows 750.00 as it came up in 50.00 incriments. He was ready and enters with 2 sec left 805.00 / you win with bid or 759.01 that now shows because he entered higher bid but did not bid 809.01 or 50.00 more then your high proxy. You save 40.99 and win the item for less then he bid. This is the reason you see many auctions with wierd amounts ( and 16 cents, 93 cent, 42 cents, etc)

Snipping programs aside - For the best chance get in at the last, have your max set, split your proxy.
As others have mentioned, I watch alot of the Olympus America
auctions and I bid on a few. I have never seen so many new ebay
members with 0 feedback as I have on Olympus's auctions. Almost
everytime I look at one of their auctions, the high bidder at the
time has 0 feedback but that person rarely wins. It does seem odd.

Also as others have brought up, people will bid some stuff up
higher than retail! I do not understand that at all. I've seen some
of Oly's refurbs. sell for more than the same model camera would
sell for new online. That's stupid.

However, I did snag a deal from Oly on an E-series 2 yr ext.
warranty for around $50 last week. But to my shock, I saw one sell
for $30 yesterday.lol That is downright CHEAP!!!!

-Jason
As I stated earlier a lot of the 0 ratings are people using sniping
programs. While not illegal can be very annoying and you can tell
who they are quite often by when their bid was actually entered
relative to yours and others and there bid will not pop in until
you exceed their maximum sniping bid or at the end of the auction
when their pre programmed max beats yours though posted days
earlier. As mentioned by another on this thread it can pop in with
only a few seconds left. I learned this lesson early and a lot of
them are people who run their own e-bay sites and are just looking
to snafu a good deal while some who just really want the item. I
have a bought a lot of the Oly auction site and the products are
top notch, like new and their service has been A-1 even when the
odd situation has developed they have bent over backwards to
resolve it. I also like the thrill of winning an auction on my own
without the use of sniping program but that's me. Patience is a
virtue and you may have to go through a few auctions before you get
one just don't sucked in like some do who end paying more than
necessary. Have your max in mind and stick with it.

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Terry
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'The very fact that I find myself in agreement with you other minds perturbs me, so that I hunt for points of divergence, feeling the urgent need to make it clear that at least I reached the same conclusions by a different route.'
KimR
 
I see that some feel they can enter their max. bid early in an
Auction and it makes not difference. I disagree as persons bidding
up to this will raise the high bid and then there is more time for
thought (from other bidders). I Sell more then Buy on Ebay but I
believe that those who bid smart are in with there highest bid at
the last, and they split their proxy. Splitting your proxy can save
you $ and you can beat out the other guy in the last few seconds
although he bid more then you. You win because yours was the
highest first proxy and they did not jump by enough of a raise.
Example - You decide that you will bid max. 800.00 on an item that
has bids going up by (let us just say) 50.00. You get in with a
proxy with 10 sec left and bid 759.01. the other guy sees it jump
but it only shows 750.00 as it came up in 50.00 incriments. He was
ready and enters with 2 sec left 805.00 / you win with bid or
759.01 that now shows because he entered higher bid but did not bid
809.01 or 50.00 more then your high proxy. You save 40.99 and win
the item for less then he bid. This is the reason you see many
auctions with wierd amounts ( and 16 cents, 93 cent, 42 cents, etc)
Snipping programs aside - For the best chance get in at the last,
have your max set, split your proxy.
Hi Kim,

As an ex-eBay employee, I can tell you that this is not how it works... The buyer you mention would have won at 805.00 if your maximum proxy bid was 759.01.

There is also no need to say "let's say 50.00" as a bid increment because the bid increments are not arbitrary, they are predetermined and are available to the world (see later links in this message).

The thing to note about bid increments is that they do not apply directly to another bidder's maximum proxy bid because you, as a competing bidder, are not allowed to know what that maximum is until you exceed it. Therefore, the bid increment applies only to the current bid (not the high bidder's maximum).

The reason therefore that you see odd amounts on eBay is because people are bidding (purely by coincidence) "just over" a competing bidder's maximum proxy bid. For example, suppose a competitor has made a maximum proxy bid of 760.00 on an item that is currently at 750.00. At this price range, the bid increment is $10.00 (never $50.00!)

You come in and want to bid. You must bid at least $760.00 because the increment is $10.00. However, just to give yourself a little extra chance, you bid at $761.61. You will outbid the competing seller at $760.00 (his maximum bid) and because your bid is less than one increment above his (i.e. you didn't agree to bid $770.00, only $761.61), eBay will then list you as the current winning bidder at $761.61. The bid increment is still $10 and if someone else comes and bids $771.61 (next minimum), you will be outbid.

All of these details (including the fixed table of bid increments by price range) can be found on eBay's Web site. See these links, among others:

Bid Increments:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/bid-increments.html

"Why was I outbid by less than one increment?":
http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/e_items_closed2.html

Hope this helps a few people out there. :-)

-Aron
 
I stand corrected -

I recently noticed Ebay has made some changes but had not noticed that one. I am curious to when that was put into place.

I noticed others recent changes too. When I just listed another vehicle - "Rules for bidding on vehicles has changed. If your maximum bid is below the seller's reserve price, your maximum bid becomes the current high bid."

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
I see that some feel they can enter their max. bid early in an
Auction and it makes not difference. I disagree as persons bidding
up to this will raise the high bid and then there is more time for
thought (from other bidders). I Sell more then Buy on Ebay but I
believe that those who bid smart are in with there highest bid at
the last, and they split their proxy. Splitting your proxy can save
you $ and you can beat out the other guy in the last few seconds
although he bid more then you. You win because yours was the
highest first proxy and they did not jump by enough of a raise.
Example - You decide that you will bid max. 800.00 on an item that
has bids going up by (let us just say) 50.00. You get in with a
proxy with 10 sec left and bid 759.01. the other guy sees it jump
but it only shows 750.00 as it came up in 50.00 incriments. He was
ready and enters with 2 sec left 805.00 / you win with bid or
759.01 that now shows because he entered higher bid but did not bid
809.01 or 50.00 more then your high proxy. You save 40.99 and win
the item for less then he bid. This is the reason you see many
auctions with wierd amounts ( and 16 cents, 93 cent, 42 cents, etc)
Snipping programs aside - For the best chance get in at the last,
have your max set, split your proxy.
Hi Kim,

As an ex-eBay employee, I can tell you that this is not how it
works... The buyer you mention would have won at 805.00 if your
maximum proxy bid was 759.01.

There is also no need to say "let's say 50.00" as a bid increment
because the bid increments are not arbitrary, they are
predetermined and are available to the world (see later links in
this message).

The thing to note about bid increments is that they do not apply
directly to another bidder's maximum proxy bid because you, as a
competing bidder, are not allowed to know what that maximum is
until you exceed it. Therefore, the bid increment applies only to
the current bid (not the high bidder's maximum).

The reason therefore that you see odd amounts on eBay is because
people are bidding (purely by coincidence) "just over" a competing
bidder's maximum proxy bid. For example, suppose a competitor has
made a maximum proxy bid of 760.00 on an item that is currently at
750.00. At this price range, the bid increment is $10.00 (never
$50.00!)

You come in and want to bid. You must bid at least $760.00
because the increment is $10.00. However, just to give yourself a
little extra chance, you bid at $761.61. You will outbid the
competing seller at $760.00 (his maximum bid) and because your bid
is less than one increment above his (i.e. you didn't agree to bid
$770.00, only $761.61), eBay will then list you as the current
winning bidder at $761.61. The bid increment is still $10 and if
someone else comes and bids $771.61 (next minimum), you will be
outbid.

All of these details (including the fixed table of bid increments
by price range) can be found on eBay's Web site. See these links,
among others:

Bid Increments:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/bid-increments.html

"Why was I outbid by less than one increment?":
http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/e_items_closed2.html

Hope this helps a few people out there. :-)

-Aron
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'The very fact that I find myself in agreement with you other minds perturbs me, so that I hunt for points of divergence, feeling the urgent need to make it clear that at least I reached the same conclusions by a different route.'
KimR
 
Thanks for the info on the warranty deal, even though i have had very bad experiences with oly's warrenty work, if my camera goes dead i'l have to ship it back. I'm gona bid on one.
As others have mentioned, I watch alot of the Olympus America
auctions and I bid on a few. I have never seen so many new ebay
members with 0 feedback as I have on Olympus's auctions. Almost
everytime I look at one of their auctions, the high bidder at the
time has 0 feedback but that person rarely wins. It does seem odd.

Also as others have brought up, people will bid some stuff up
higher than retail! I do not understand that at all. I've seen some
of Oly's refurbs. sell for more than the same model camera would
sell for new online. That's stupid.

However, I did snag a deal from Oly on an E-series 2 yr ext.
warranty for around $50 last week. But to my shock, I saw one sell
for $30 yesterday.lol That is downright CHEAP!!!!

-Jason
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http://www.pbase.com/ldallara
http://www.louisdallara.com
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Thanks... I got one here...

http://www.snip.pl/en/
I have a 100% rating on eBay with over 223 transactions. I am
confident that Olympus America is not using shills. You should get
a good snipe program, set a maximum bid and go for it.

If you have a broadband connection, set the snipe to go at the last
7 seconds. Be sure that your snipe program synchronizes with the
eBay clock or it won't work. Stick to your maximum and if it is
reasonable, you will win eventually.

Amateurs who haven't done much bidding are just driving up the
price through their ignorance. Don't bid until the last second,
then only for your maximum pre-determined limit.

Dave Dougherty
--
Lou Dallara
http://www.louisdallara.com/images/
http://www.pbase.com/ldallara
http://www.louisdallara.com
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I've purchased 3 things from them in JUNE. All arrived quickly, all in perfect condition.

I have YET to receive POS Feedback from them. I paid quickly, I left FB immediately uon receiving my stuff...its just rude. I've contacted them on this only to receive no reply.

Prices good. Shipping fast. They get failing marks on eBay citizenship.

K
I have been trying to snag a tcon-300 on ebay from olympus america,
but
it seems like thay have shills driving up the prices???? anybody
ever notice that on ebay?
Lou
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Lou Dallara
http://www.louisdallara.com/images/
http://www.pbase.com/ldallara
http://www.louisdallara.com
PBase supporter
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E20 Newbie - gettin' bettah...
 
I've purchased 3 things from them in JUNE. All arrived quickly,
all in perfect condition.

I have YET to receive POS Feedback from them. I paid quickly, I
left FB immediately uon receiving my stuff...its just rude. I've
contacted them on this only to receive no reply.

Prices good. Shipping fast. They get failing marks on eBay
citizenship.
You are not alone there, I only found one e-Bayer that had multiple positive Olympus feedback, maybe that e-Bayer is an Olympus employee with the task of increasing the bid. His bid amount is kind of strange too, mostly at $xx.99.

Perhaps if I win something from Olympus, I will give Olympus a neutral or a negative feedback, for not giving me any feedback, just to get their attention. :)

Seriously though, for a buyer the amount of feedback is not that important.
 

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