Full-framer logic

Tommi K1 wrote:

Okapi001 wrote:

Fun 4 all wrote:

Most of the time M43 does provide the IQ shooters want. But there are some times when people need more and that is what FF is for. But it is a relatively small amount of the time.

Sure, but you need good and fast lenses if you want to take advantage of the larger sensor. It's the same problem with mirrorless medium format cameras, Fuji and Hasselblad. If you don't have proper lenses, you cannot take full advantage of larger sensor.

Exposure is shutter speed as well, not just the aperture and sensor size....

And you somehow think that only you know this, or that people that buy other than mft don't know it?

You don't need fast lens to get benefits ie. landscape where you can use 1/30 or 1/60 shutter speed instead 1/1250 or 1/2000.\

Wow.

Same thing is with the f/4 or f/5.6 lenses when you can use flashes to do the work. Exposure isn't just the camera but it is as well the scene illumination.

That's when aperture flexibility can often be critical as it allows you to blend the ambient and flash illumination to create the effect or lack of such that one is trying to achieve.

The problem is the people who is continually arguing for "identical photograph" like a single method would be only correct way.

No one really argues for identical photographs, at least that I have heard of and I'm pretty sure that you know that as well. The concept of an identical photograph is nothing short of a common measuring point to explain just what is lost or gained by various formats. No different than using 0-60 mph to compare what effects horsepower, torque, rear end ratio etc., have on acceleration.

Like every portrait is needed to be with narrow DOF or blurred background is the quality stamp for sports and wildlife photography, or low noise is the quality requirement etc.

What world do you actually live in? How do you have so much time to worry about what FF people worry about? If you have the ideal equipment for YOU, why are YOU always harping about the folly of FF people?

All those are nothing else than gear heads lies to itself to deny the creativity and acceptance of it itself.

Well if that is so, then it makes sense. That's what gearheads do. What ceases to make sense is if you are not a gear head, why do you spend so much time making fun of them and worrying about how they think?

Easier to blame the gear "If I just would had the FF, I would had a masterpiece!"

Projecting much? The people you are speaking about probably already have FF and a bunch of masterpieces. You on the other hand have mft and seem to be having difficulty finding peace within yourself, which is the master peace.

Often it looks like people are grabbing the camera and saying:

"Today I am going to make a two masterpieces and get my name to hall of fame as long I follow the rules:

• Narrow DOF
• ETTR
• Fastest possible shutter speed
• Lowest possible ISO"

See isn't it easy to go out and do the masterpieces? That you can translate to shopping list:

1. Get the lowest noise FF sensor
2. Buy the "fastest possible lenses"

Isn't it simple? You walk to the store and you say those two requirement and they will hand you what you want. Then you will go and apply the rules above and you are creating masterpieces no time!

What I seriously think is that Olympus needs to start handing out merit badges with their equipment. It seems that buyers like yourself won't be truly satisfied with their choice until maybe 1000 or so FF users come and pat them on the back and say that you actually made the choice that would have made them happy but they just can't bring themselves to acknowledge it.

Robert