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A dream came true: Half grown Siberian tiger in the snow

Started Mar 4, 2017 | Photos thread
Jorginho Forum Pro • Posts: 15,370
Can we trust biology ecology?

CelticOdyssey wrote:

Lovely photos of a magnificent creature; I'm envious. But I'm sad, too, because we are all living in the middle of the sixth mass extinction, which may claim us as well. And many don't seem to notice, or even care.

Well there are several views on this.

What I find very troubling about ecology is that it is so unscientific as opposed to, say, climatology.

For instance: the wording in many scientific papers is judgemental and unscientific. In particular the stance on so called invasive species is not scientific at all. You cannot prove a creature for some reason belongs some where other that to introduce prsonal views rather than facts since you cannot prove why anthropogenic dispersal of species is somehow different than any other creature.

Hybrising is considered one of the main factors for the development of new species. So when African finches now hybridise with European ones (which is happening and no human vector in it) that is just fine. When hybridisation occurs via anthropogenic factors the very same thing is deemed wrong, bad etc.

To the point: the claim is that many species will not or cannot adapt. But for instance with trees it was found that they are far less climatological dependant than place dependant. Also at least some trees show very rapid changes. like European Sitka Spruce already is genetically very different from their Pacific Northwest counterpart. Even so that that Euforgen is now considering to make a clear distinction between these Sitka spruces.

A large part of the feared mass extinction hinges on two factors:
- Rapid global warming, whichis undisputed and scientific sound proven. Climatologists in their papers are clear about what they do and don't know
- Habitatloss (which is more difficult to prove even if it seems so selfevident)
- Invasive species (apart from islands and islandlike habitats there is zero proof for that).

Biologists and ecologists cannot even tell how many species there in fact are and the numbers (estimations) differ wildly.

Due to hybridisation the Uk already gained more than 70 new species over about a century. The same is true elsewhere.

And mind you I am as green as they come, I love nature and I'd love to see a huge reduction in the number of humans. 500 million would be more appropriate. Heavy taxing carbon based fuel: go ahead, it works (Autralia did this for a while with a big influence but they revised this strategy in 2014 when the use of carbon fuels quickly rose again).

I love nature a lot.

But I do not like unsubstantiated claims made by so called scientists that are simply very bad i proving their point but very good at assuming. They remind me an awful lot of climate change deniers which also lack facts ut claim and claim and claim...

Just take a few copies of scientific papers on neobiota and look at the incredible load of biased wording and you see it is an ideology, surely when the facts are missing badly.

So a sixth extinction wave....I would love to see scientific work that is as strong and sound as I can find on anthropogenic climate change.

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