"Thing" to warm camera, sub-zero ???

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Marcia (Hawkowl) and others have written about this problem. Surely, these days, some "thing" must already exist, like a padded heated tape that would wrap round the camera,

1. plugged into car power, but holding its warmth for a short time away from the car, or

2. with its own independent heat source, duration up to xx minutes ?

One would still have to be careful to keep oneself warm, and not to breath on the lens.

:-)

Though I guess some people just compromise by keeping the camera under their coat.

Or in a "heated" case?

Mike
 
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A good part of the problem is the battery. Once you get down to about 0°F, Li-Ion batteries normally can't deliver the current to operate the camera. It may take some time for the battery to cool off. Keeping the camera on will help heat the battery due to its internal resistance and heat generated by the electronics. Some will bring extra batteries that are kept warm in a internal pocket.

The mechanical elements of the camera may also "freeze up". I never experienced this, but there was a recent post where it was noted a FZ200 had problems focusing in cold weather.

There are lens heaters designed to prevent condensation and frosting. But these are designed more for astrophotography and require a sizable power source. There are also body socks that can help insulate the camera. Not particularly useful for a walk around solution as the controls are covered up.

In really cold weather, I attempt to warm the camera by keeping it in a inside coat pocket. Only practical with a fairly small camera. I took my TG-3 on a winter hike where we hit temperatures of -10°F. I got lazy and stuffed it in a external coat pocket. An hour later, it wouldn't power on. I did have a spare battery buried deeply in a shirt pocket.
 
There are apparently some "air activated" hand warmers that I saw in a Walmart ad. And Zippo makes one that I believe uses some sort of slow combustion.

Would a couple of these devices tucked in your camera bag keep the camera warmer than outside of the bag?

The other thought is would you generate condensation moving from a warm environment to a cold one, or vice versa?
 
Hi Phil, I'm Marcia (Hawkowl) whom Mike referred to in the a/m question. Almost all my photography is outdoors (birds & animals) and I live in a climate where winters are usually below 0C and this winter it was -10C to -15C and, for several days, -20C! I usually take photos from my car, using it as a blind and resting my camera on a beanbag with window open...can be very cold! While waiting, I keep my camera on my lap and under a blanket and when outside, I have to keep my camera under my coat. As soon as I expose my FZ200 to the cold, it simply won't focus properly, although after many half-presses, I sometimes get lucky.
A good part of the problem is the battery. Once you get down to about 0°F, Li-Ion batteries normally can't deliver the current to operate the camera. It may take some time for the battery to cool off. Keeping the camera on will help heat the battery due to its internal resistance and heat generated by the electronics. Some will bring extra batteries that are kept warm in a internal pocket.
I do carry extra batteries in my front pocket but leaving my camera on doesn't work for me even in good weather because I spend too much time waiting and observing. Also the batteries seem to drain much faster in the cold weather.

The solution I came up with for my car was to insert an old, metal velveteen-covered hand-warmer (where you light a punk and insert it between the warmer covers) into an old toque which then went into an old quilted heating pad cover. This contrivance was set on my window bean bag and the camera on top of all and covered with a scarf! It might be primitive but it worked for hours!! :-).....btw, the smell from that punk permeated the whole car and had me thinking antihistamine!

I've been thinking of making some kind of a 'proper' wrap that could utilize a throw-away handwarmer product call HotHands.....still thinking on the how!
The mechanical elements of the camera may also "freeze up". I never experienced this, but there was a recent post where it was noted a FZ200 had problems focusing in cold weather.
Perhaps this is what's happening when I am attempting to half/press the shutter?
There are lens heaters designed to prevent condensation and frosting. But these are designed more for astrophotography and require a sizable power source. There are also body socks that can help insulate the camera. Not particularly useful for a walk around solution as the controls are covered up.
LOL..I almost always have my heavy, metal Nikon 1.7 TC attached to my camera and it's always ice-cold so I made a body sock for it by doubling up two cuffs from my wool socks. It seems to help somewhat in not getting cold as quickly and transmitting that cold to the camera....if nothing else, my hands stay warmer!
In really cold weather, I attempt to warm the camera by keeping it in a inside coat pocket. Only practical with a fairly small camera. I took my TG-3 on a winter hike where we hit temperatures of -10°F. I got lazy and stuffed it in a external coat pocket. An hour later, it wouldn't power on. I did have a spare battery buried deeply in a shirt pocket.
Even with a fully-charged battery, my FZ200 didn't want to focus when cold! :-(

Regards

Marcia
 
Hi Jerry

I think we're on the same page here (see my response to Phil)..
There are apparently some "air activated" hand warmers that I saw in a Walmart ad. And Zippo makes one that I believe uses some sort of slow combustion.
As mentioned in my above response to Phil, I used a hard metal case into which you inserted a lit punk. I felt that the handwarmers might be more pliable and easier to use but I've never used them so don't know.
Would a couple of these devices tucked in your camera bag keep the camera warmer than outside of the bag?
The metal handwarmer I used actually browned the old white polyester toque I had used and got pretty warm. I'm thinking of some kind of a quilted wrap that could be easily removed and used when hiking....something where you would make pockets to insert these warmers into appropriate slots.
The other thought is would you generate condensation moving from a warm environment to a cold one, or vice versa?
When I had my camera sitting on the heated bean bag contraption I made, the lens (Nikon ED1.7 TC) was outside and exposed to the cold and I didn't have a condensation problem. I use the LCD so don't know about the viewfinder.

Regards

Marcia
 
Hi Jerry

I think we're on the same page here (see my response to Phil)..
There are apparently some "air activated" hand warmers that I saw in a Walmart ad. And Zippo makes one that I believe uses some sort of slow combustion.
As mentioned in my above response to Phil, I used a hard metal case into which you inserted a lit punk. I felt that the handwarmers might be more pliable and easier to use but I've never used them so don't know.
Would a couple of these devices tucked in your camera bag keep the camera warmer than outside of the bag?
The metal handwarmer I used actually browned the old white polyester toque I had used and got pretty warm. I'm thinking of some kind of a quilted wrap that could be easily removed and used when hiking....something where you would make pockets to insert these warmers into appropriate slots.
The other thought is would you generate condensation moving from a warm environment to a cold one, or vice versa?
When I had my camera sitting on the heated bean bag contraption I made, the lens (Nikon ED1.7 TC) was outside and exposed to the cold and I didn't have a condensation problem. I use the LCD so don't know about the viewfinder.

Regards

Marcia
 
Zippo warmer, throwaway warmer, punk (what's that? Over here it is a kind of frenetic musician with safety pins through his/her nose :-) )

So, there are a few "independent" heat sources. I can't really follow this up myself as it is very seldom below 30 deg F or -2 deg C. over here.

Greg Pohl (?) had problems with an FZ200 sub-zero and he moved on to an ILC or DSLR and another Forum.

Anyway, you get great bird pics Marcia, one way or another.

Mike
 
Marcia:

The idea of placing something that burns like the lit punk you mentioned scares me from the standpoint that most combustion results in emitting vapors and such that might deposit some coating on your lens. The cleanest combustion should just produce water vapor, but anything with carbon in it might create some byproduct.

If the punk stunk up your car, then it was producing something more than water and carbon dioxide.
Yikes Jerry! Your scenario sounds pretty scary so I think my camera and I are going to stay cold or find something warm to photograph indoors; after-all, the cold won't last forever!! Thanks for your wise words here!!

Regards

Marcia
Maybe the ideal way might be placing the camera in a zip-lock bag so it is sealed then any deposition or out gassing won't get on or in the camera.

The more I think about it, I am thinking going from the cold into the warm might be the best condition for condensation.

As for me, when it is that cold, I stay indoors.

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Jerry
http://www.flickr.com/photos/av8tor045
 
Zippo warmer, throwaway warmer, punk (what's that? Over here it is a kind of frenetic musician with safety pins through his/her nose :-) )
A photo of my punk (no pins) which I am going to resign from the camera-heating department after Jerry's words of warning....although it did seem to work a little! :-(

Time for another adventure!

Regards

Marcia



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So, there are a few "independent" heat sources. I can't really follow this up myself as it is very seldom below 30 deg F or -2 deg C. over here.
Brrrr!
Greg Pohl (?) had problems with an FZ200 sub-zero and he moved on to an ILC or DSLR and another Forum.

Anyway, you get great bird pics Marcia, one way or another.
Thanks for trying to find a solution for this problem! :-)
 
The more I think about it, I am thinking going from the cold into the warm might be the best condition for condensation.
One good thing about really cold weather is the dew point is very low. If it's 0°F outside, the dew point will be lower. However, modern heating systems can have humidifiers. To be safe, I keep the gear zipped up in my camera bag while it adjusts to room temperature.
 
Hi Marcia,
I usually take photos from my car, using it as a blind and resting my camera on a beanbag with window open...can be very cold! While waiting, I keep my camera on my lap and under a blanket and when outside, I have to keep my camera under my coat. As soon as I expose my FZ200 to the cold, it simply won't focus properly, although after many half-presses, I sometimes get lucky.
Most of my wildlife photography is done in areas accessible only by hiking. There are a few natural blinds that we sometimes shoot from. Some lightweight camo tarps and netting helps improve the comfort factor in cold weather. I believe my FZ200 has never been exposed to anything colder than 15°F. No focus problems at that temperature range. My DSLR gear worked fine at sub-zero temperatures. I just needed to keep a warm battery in the camera.
I've been thinking of making some kind of a 'proper' wrap that could utilize a throw-away handwarmer product call HotHands.....still thinking on the how!
I met a guy while camping in the Palisade Glacier area of the John Muir Wilderness. He was shooting a long time lapse sequence and had a lens heater using chemical hand warmers. I think I found the product he had. It's called the Digital After Dark LensMuff. Probably not really useful on the typical retractable lenses used on compact cameras.

http://www.kadamsphoto.com/catalog/digital-after-dark-lensmuff-keeping-your-lens-p-85.html
LOL..I almost always have my heavy, metal Nikon 1.7 TC attached to my camera and it's always ice-cold so I made a body sock for it by doubling up two cuffs from my wool socks. It seems to help somewhat in not getting cold as quickly and transmitting that cold to the camera....if nothing else, my hands stay warmer!
Yeah, I have camo covers on my telephoto lenses. They do little to keep the lenses warm. But they make a big difference when handling the lens without gloves. I also have the matching snow hoodie that slips over the end of the lens. This prevents snow accumulating inside the hood. At this moment it's snowing heavily in our local mountains so I'll definitely be out shooting over the next few days. Temperatures will likely be around 20°F so I don't expect any major battery problems.

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Phil
 
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Hi Marcia,
Most of my wildlife photography is done in areas accessible only by hiking. There are a few natural blinds that we sometimes shoot from. Some lightweight camo tarps and netting helps improve the comfort factor in cold weather. I believe my FZ200 has never been exposed to anything colder than 15°F. No focus problems at that temperature range. My DSLR gear worked fine at sub-zero temperatures. I just needed to keep a warm battery in the camera.
Good Morning Phil,

Much as I would love to go hiking off-road, I'm not fit enough and I'm too chicken to venture out on my own; however, I do drive 10-35km on little-used logging roads which is where I see so much wildlife. :-) I also have a light-weight camo tarp that I have used on occasion in more open areas. 15F is approx. -10C and I was having trouble getting focus so it could be that my camera is just plain worn our - even the LCD is loose!
I've been thinking of making some kind of a 'proper' wrap that could utilize a throw-away handwarmer product call HotHands.....still thinking on the how!
I met a guy while camping in the Palisade Glacier area of the John Muir Wilderness. He was shooting a long time lapse sequence and had a lens heater using chemical hand warmers. I think I found the product he had. It's called the Digital After Dark LensMuff. Probably not really useful on the typical retractable lenses used on compact cameras.

http://www.kadamsphoto.com/catalog/digital-after-dark-lensmuff-keeping-your-lens-p-85.html
Thanks for this link which I casually read through and see that cold weather is a problem for other photographers. When I was visualizing a 'proper' wrap, I was thinking of a cover for both the camera and lens but the Lensmuff might be all I need because it would surround my metal-gets-cold Nikon ED1.7 TC which, in turn, covers the retractable lens. I also like the idea that it is made by a company that provides vocational training for people with disabilities!
LOL..I almost always have my heavy, metal Nikon 1.7 TC attached to my camera and it's always ice-cold so I made a body sock for it by doubling up two cuffs from my wool socks. It seems to help somewhat in not getting cold as quickly and transmitting that cold to the camera....if nothing else, my hands stay warmer!
Yeah, I have camo covers on my telephoto lenses. They do little to keep the lenses warm. But they make a big difference when handling the lens without gloves. I also have the matching snow hoodie that slips over the end of the lens. This prevents snow accumulating inside the hood. At this moment it's snowing heavily in our local mountains so I'll definitely be out shooting over the next few days. Temperatures will likely be around 20°F so I don't expect any major battery problems.
LOL...when it's snowing heavily around here, I'm also out - Shovelling!! :-) Enjoy your great winter weather and hope you get some great photo ops!!

Regards

Marcia
 

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