Why can't Adobe and Nikon work to have LR/CC/PS process Nikon color profiles?

Started Oct 24, 2016 | Discussions thread
Simon Garrett Veteran Member • Posts: 5,594
Re: again, how do you know Nikon is at fault?
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Eamon Hickey wrote:

Simon Garrett wrote:

Can you provide any link to where Nikon publishes information about relevant metadata such as the picture control, noise reduction, D-Lighting etc? To be useful to others writing raw converters, one would need not only the names of the relevant fields (which many people have figured out) but also the semantics; that is, a definition about what is meant by "Standard" picture control and so on. AFAIK all this information is proprietary, but if I'm wrong I'd love to see where it's published.

Well, whether or not Nikon publishes information about their metadata tells us nothing about whether they are refusing to provide it to Adobe (under license or otherwise), or to allow Adobe to use it. Or Phase One or anyone else.

At the moment, I simply don't use any of those features in camera (picture control, D-Lighting, lens correction, vignetting...) as I shoot raw and use Lightroom, which ignores those settings.

Those camera features are simply wasted on me and any other raw shooter that doesn't use Nikon raw software (i.e. most Nikon raw shooters). I'm surprised that doesn't seem to concern Nikon.

Again, you are assuming that it is Nikon that is the impediment here. How do you know that Nikon has not offered all this information to Adobe or Phase One? I don't see any evidence that Adobe and Phase One et. al. have any interest in trying to use all those in-camera parameters, and somehow adapt them to their own raw processing engine in a way that duplicates Nikon's implementation. And do it for half a dozen or more different camera manufacturers.

So, mainly I'm just pointing out the limits of what we know here. Why automatically blame Nikon? But, tangentially, I think it's actually a better guess that Adobe does not think that mimicking all of Nikon's and Canon's (and Sony's and Fuji's etc. etc.) raw processing features/results is a desirable feature for Adobe's software, or a smart use of their engineering resources, at least up until this point. Same for Phase One etc. I doubt whether they're interested.

In fact, the most likely guess is that neither the camera companies nor the software companies think there's any worthwhile ROI in devoting very much engineering time and money to this "problem".

I have no idea whether Adobe, Phase One etc want to use the Nikon proprietary metadata in the raw files.  However, I would have thought some might, as it might give them a competitive advantage over those that don't.  The ones that do would be able to say "our raw converter implements the in-camera settings such as Picture Control, D-Lighting... that other raw converters don't."  The fact that no one does suggests to me that Nikon don't want to co-operate.

Nikon have previous here: they have been secretive in the past.  For example, they encrypt the white balance, originally giving some guff about wanting users to have the best experience.  However the encryption was broken very quickly, and they then provided an SDK to allow others to access it.  Their past secrecy was because they had delusions ambitions of having revenue-earning software.  Those finally evaporated two and a half years ago with the formal discontinuing of NX-2.  But two and a half years is a blink of the eye compared to the time taken to change policy in a Japanese corporation, so I suspect that Nikon are probably still unwilling to encourage others to use their proprietary metadata.

I've seen this before quite often in corporates: a dread of giving away the information "crown jewels", when the information is worth nothing to the corporate as a trade secret, and to the contrary it might enhance their products to give the information away.

However, like you, I have no inside information.

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