Angry Photographer proves the 105/1.4E isn't "flat"

Started Oct 4, 2016 | Discussions thread
H o g n e
H o g n e Contributing Member • Posts: 556
Re: The Angry Photographer's 105/1.4E review is vindicated
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fPrime wrote:

Hope you got what you wanted out of the perception experiment here, Marianne, but I believe the case can now be closed on TAP's review of the 105E.

I sincerely hope so but for other reasons than yours.

From any reasonable review of the evidence presented it is more than fair to conclude that his review was 100% right. Recall that he basically postulated three things:

  • Color shift vs. the 105 DC - Confirmed. When shot side by side in numerous, independent comparisons the 105E has been consistently yellower. The debate over if blue light absorption by the 105E is the cause can continue, but the fact that this lens renders yellow is incontrovertible.

Unconfirmed. I think a number of experiments where conducted by Marianne to show that the 105 f/1.4e has a superb color rendering. There is no color cast with this lens that makes it a bad choice.

Confirmed. However, this is nothing new. Under certain (predictable) conditions you get this effect. You will find it in all lenses with a smaller exit pupil. Check the lower left lens image which shows how this occurs:

http://toothwalker.org/optics/vignetting.html

I have the same effect in my 200mm f/2 under certain conditions. Check this thread for a number of other examples: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4049421

What is the big deal? It is an issue for all such primes.

  • Flat images - Confirmed. First by numerous flat 105E examples from Art Jacks and Fotoinfo which originally raised the rendering concern, secondly by you when you adjusted the exposure on the resurrection plant photos showing the 105E as dead flat next to the 3D pop of the 105DC, lastly by Derek Z once again in string of nicely composed but utterly flat examples here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4062893#forum-post-58455488

Unconfirmed. Sorry. This is just in your head. Keep looking for proof of what you believe in and you will find it. I am not going to spend any time on debating this issue.

Against the stark review accuracy by TAP how did our self-anointed "experts" do in their own forum reviews of the 105E? Horribly! Although Lance B, anotherMike, and you were among the first to buy the 105E, it's embarrassing that not a single one of you either discovered or reported ANY of these three issues to the forum before TAP did.

What is embarrassing is your rants around here. I am sorry for you that you are not able to understand that yourself.

Why on earth should the mentioned people care? Why should they report 2 claims which do not exist (color shift and flatness) and 1 claim which is the property of any lens similar to this (cat's eye bokeh)?

While all of you were gushing like schoolgirls over sharpness and bokeh, TAP was doing your job of finding the cons and posting examples. If you think this doesn't fundamentally undermine your credibility, think again.

Because those of us who have used the lens are impressed. And, rightly so. It is an excellent tool in the right hands. An optical achievement.

Somebody compared TAP to Trump earlier on here and there's more than a little truth to this. When it's right and obvious, TAP is apparently the only one willing to tell it like it is... no politically correct bs. Is he vulgar? Yes. But is he wrong... not on this matter, for sure. You are all collectively the Hillary/Kaine ticket running a tired campaign of insults against reality by suggesting he doesn't have the demeanor to be a lens reviewer or that people who agree with his findings are a basket of deplorables. The parallels are both funny and sad.

I won't go into US-politics but anyone who is as vulgar as TAP will automatically lose credibility in my book. It is perfectly possible to have an opinion without resorting to such tactics.

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