E-M1 Mk ii pricing?

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I queried my local branch of an Australian national camera shop chain about the expected price and availability. They claimed that Oly Australia isn't talking to them about the E-M1 Mk ii.

It has been some months since we pondered the release price so what does the intel tell us?

Cheers, Mark
 
Indeed. I have to say, as both Oly and Fuji user, although the EM1 and X-T1 share similar specs and common strength/weakness, The two cameras are indeed designed with two completely different concept in mind.
 
Well what is your do all camera, my EM1 or XE2 is sure not mine. All you can say bad is the D500 is to big. Well I am 67 years old and can still carry a big camera if it gets me the shot. No good lens are you kidding. The reason for me to pick it over a FF Nikon is lens choice. Have you ever heard of a company that makes Art Lens called Sigma. The highest rated DXO prime was there 35mm, and there 18x35 1.8 would make a great walk around lens for street photography. I like my Sony A7 model 2 to just carry around but it cant do what a D500 can,
 
Reliable sources said $1699 US body only.

Not sure what you people will be paying outside of USA.

So, is it worth it to you to pay more and upgrade to MKII?


Good luck. Report back what you people paid.

Lena

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Well what is your do all camera, my EM1 or XE2 is sure not mine. All you can say bad is
My "do all" camera is my EM1. It's not perfect in some situations, but I don't want to keep multiple systems. As in my balance, walk-around street photography and travel photography are more dominant than sports photography, then EM1 is my do-all. it's accompanied by my EPL7 which is my even-lighter carry-everywhere camera.
the D500 is to big. Well I am 67 years old and can still carry a big camera if it gets me
I *can* carry two D4 bodies too. I just don't WANT to. and while I CAN carry anything, I *practically* end up leaving my camera behind when it's too heavy. Maybe you have more free time than I do, but I'm only 40, and between work, 15-20 business trips a year, and kids and wife, I tend to do a lot of my photography in parallel to other things.
the shot. No good lens are you kidding. The reason for me to pick it over a FF Nikon is lens choice. Have you ever heard of a company that makes Art Lens called Sigma. The
You don't need to patronize. I've owned sigma lenses in the past. Some were better than others. The Art line is indeed good, although I would be very careful of DXO grading as my main source of input. DxO is very concentrated on SHARPNESS. While sharpness is important, it is far from being the main interest in a good lens. Micro-contrast, rendering, bokeh, etc - are all factors which are sometimes much more important for the overall look of image. Leica lenses are far from being the sharpest lenses around, but the way they "paint" is fantastic.
highest rated DXO prime was there 35mm, and there 18x35 1.8 would make a great
The 35mm is indeed a good lens, though for street photography I would argue that it is a nightmare to use on crop. 52.5 is wayyyy too narrow FoV for street photography.

The 18-35/1.8 lens is a lens I almost purchased in my Canon days, however, it suffers from a few critical flaws:

- Like many Sigma lenses - it suffers from focus inaccuracies, and from the reviews I read on it - more than some of the other Sigmas. This can be to some extent resolved with AF-MA, but not entirely. Specifically, with the shallow DoF created by the 1.8 F, this is becoming a *real* usability issue with this lens. So while it is insanely sharp in principle, the results are often disappointing. I was actually considering buying it back in my 70D days, when I had dual-pixel on-sensor AF. The on-sensor AF does not suffer from same inaccuracies as phase-detect focus suffers, and as such the results of the 18-35/1.8 on the 70D+LV focus were spectacular. However, it was then when I decided to sell my Canon gear and move to M43 :)
walk around lens for street photography. I like my Sony A7 model 2 to just carry around but it cant do what a D500 can,
Having said that - I would hardly agree that the 18-35 is a good STREET PHOTOGRAPHY lens. Street photography calls for quick photography, with minimal hassle, sometimes from the hip. The only lenses good for this are prime lenses, preferably ones which offer fast AF from one hand and very easy MF from the other. Unfortunately, most good primes for Nikon/Canon are designed around FF focal lengths, making crop cameras a bit crippled in that respect (try to find a good 28FoV equiv prime for canon/nikon...). Today when I shoot street photography I use my PanaLeica 15 f/1.7. With 30mm FoV - it's perfectly wide for street photography. it's very quick to AF, but I can MF with Focus Peaking easily. Most importantly, it is stabilized (because my sensor is so) so even if I shoot handheld in less perfecty lighting - I would get good results.

If you calculate the IBIS into your Image Quality with prime lenses, you quickly discover that ANYTHING you lose on ISO performance on the slightly smaller sensor you gain from IBIS.
 
Reliable sources said $1699 US body only.

Not sure what you people will be paying outside of USA.

So, is it worth it to you to pay more and upgrade to MKII?


Good luck. Report back what you people paid.
Wow. that's a lot. The Mark I was 1399$ when it was new.

I hope your sources are not so reliable :)

 
I didn't pay enough attention to the settings. The camera didn't have final firmware so I couldn't save any photos. I was not buying it because of my MFT lens "investment ", and there were others in the store that might be buying this model and played with the camera a lot more. I am guessing it was at the highest fps setting.
 
If you're looking at D500, XT2, and EM1II, I would dare say that you are not very focused on your needs...
All right lets talk about my needs. I am an enthusiast, I don't make money with photography, it is just an (expensive) hobby for me, which I looooove.

My main subject for my photography is my always running (changing directions) and moving his head and never sitting still, 4 year old boy.....



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he is almost never still and he is a challenge for most cameras out there

I sold my Sony A7RII - you know the jack of all trades camera, because its AF could not keep up with my child.

Fuji XT1 - could not keep up with him in SAF mode, in CAF mode, if you get the first photo in series in focus, there is a very good chance I would get the entire series in focus, but that was not consistent.

Nikon D800 and D750 - in 3D mode, I get more keepers, but still not a 100% percent keeper rate

Olympus EM1 - SAF - slow, face detect - very bad in comparison to Panasonic, CAF - actually not bad for my child tracking.

Panasonic GX7 - SAF amazing, almost all photos in focus, CAF - disappointing.

Panasonic GX8 - seems to be a tad slower than GX7, but faster than Olympus in SAF with face detection, CAF is not much better than GX7.

Canons through 5DM3 and 6D, 7D and 70D - not as good as Nikon D800 and D750.

All of the above I have tested and used and owned and shot thousands of shots with.

One camera I have not tested is Sony A6300. One problem with Sony is lenses are so freaking expensive.

I love mirorrless for travel. I recenlty left all my big cameras (including A7RII as lenses are huge) and went on two vacations just with m43 and it was such a great feeling, when you can pack 4 lenses in a bag and you don't even feel it!!!!

I hope between D500/A6300/XT2 and EM1M2, there will be a camera with autofocus which will acceptable to me.
 
If you're looking at D500, XT2, and EM1II, I would dare say that you are not very focused on your needs...
All right lets talk about my needs. I am an enthusiast, I don't make money with photography, it is just an (expensive) hobby for me, which I looooove.
I think we are all in the same boat.
My main subject for my photography is my always running (changing directions) and moving his head and never sitting still, 4 year old boy.....
So a typical 4 years old ;) (mine is 3.5...)
he is almost never still and he is a challenge for most cameras out there

I sold my Sony A7RII - you know the jack of all trades camera, because its AF could not keep up with my child.

Fuji XT1 - could not keep up with him in SAF mode, in CAF mode, if you get the first photo in series in focus, there is a very good chance I would get the entire series in focus, but that was not consistent.

Nikon D800 and D750 - in 3D mode, I get more keepers, but still not a 100% percent keeper rate

Olympus EM1 - SAF - slow, face detect - very bad in comparison to Panasonic, CAF - actually not bad for my child tracking.

Panasonic GX7 - SAF amazing, almost all photos in focus, CAF - disappointing.

Panasonic GX8 - seems to be a tad slower than GX7, but faster than Olympus in SAF with face detection, CAF is not much better than GX7.

Canons through 5DM3 and 6D, 7D and 70D - not as good as Nikon D800 and D750.

All of the above I have tested and used and owned and shot thousands of shots with.
Well - I think we need to do some "expectation setting" ;-). You are talking about D800/D750 and saying you're not getting 100% keepers. that's normal. When you should continuous shooting with continuous focus of difficult moving subjects, you will never get 100% keepers. CAF works by predicting movement and trying to keep track. If the subject changes, a frame might get lost.

When I had to decide between the EM1 and the XT1, I took them to a run against my 70D. The test was done by placing my child (then ~2 years old) on a swing, and shot and counted. Swing represents a fairly difficult subject as the speed of moving up/down and forward/backward keeps changing. It is, however, easier than a child abruptly changing direction.

Conclusions (that's from a while ago) - My 70D could get about 90% in focus. The EM1 got about 50% (this was before the 3.0 firmware update. I think it's better now, but haven't tested). The XT1 got about 30% right (again, before the Fuji update that improved focus).

For me 50% was not amazing, but acceptable enough for me to be willing to trade away my 70D for something lighter.
One camera I have not tested is Sony A6300. One problem with Sony is lenses are so freaking expensive.
Don't know about the A6300. But my friend owns the A6000 and his camera is doing remarkable good job in CAF+Face Tracking on tracking his kid. Having said that - that's STILL not 100% :)
I love mirorrless for travel. I recenlty left all my big cameras (including A7RII as lenses are huge) and went on two vacations just with m43 and it was such a great feeling, when you can pack 4 lenses in a bag and you don't even feel it!!!!

I hope between D500/A6300/XT2 and EM1M2, there will be a camera with autofocus which will acceptable to me.
XT2 - From what I've read - better, but don't expect too much. EM1M2 - Let's see what they got in play. I expect it to be better than XT2. but not as good as a proper sports DSLR.

The D500 is likely to be better than anything you tested to date. The AF system on it is taken straight from PRO sports cameras. However, does getting 100% (or 98%) is the most important?

For me, if EM1-II would get me at 80-90% in-focus shots with my kid I will be happy enough. it shoots fast, I can throw some :)

Btw - one more thing that surprised me in your post. You say Face Detection on EM1 is slow?! what lens are u using? On my EM1+12-40 - Face Detection is extremely fast in SAF.
 
I heard it could cost around $3000.00

I think if that is true, that is far to much. You can buy a good Nikon or Canon for that amount.
And what if the C-AF performance is as top Canon/Nikon sports cameras like D500, D5, 1DMkII?

For that performance $3000 would be nothing.
It won't have the same C-AF performance as the D500, not even Canon cameras has that
 
Btw - one more thing that surprised me in your post. You say Face Detection on EM1 is slow?! what lens are u using? On my EM1+12-40 - Face Detection is extremely fast in SAF.
I have pretty much every great lens in m43 stable, look in my signature. If you want to see fast FD, try Panasonic GX7. After EM1, you will be shocked. GX7 Face Detection is instant, and i mean instant, and it does not matter if the face is straight to the camera, backwards, upside down, to the side, glasses, no glasses, face takes small portion of the display, face take big portion of the display, it is instant, which helps me achieve a very high amount of keepers of my kid in SAF mode. I have both of these cameras. EM1 requires the face to be looking in your direction for FD to work properly. GX7 is just remarkable, in a different league.

However, it is not all roses for Panasonic. For example, my favorite setting for mirrorless cameras is FD + Center Point, meaning the camera defaults to center point, if there is no face. If there is a face it goes to a face. If no face, back to center point. To me it is the most logical implementation in SAF mode. Olympus has it. Sony has it. Unfortunately Panasonic and Fuji do not have it. So for Panasonic it is either FD or center point. If you are in FD mode, if there is no Face, it goes into Auto Area mode which means it will always focus on what I don't want it to focus. So the benefit of excellent FD is somewhat lost because I have to remember to change out of FD mode each time there is no face. Panasonic GX8 has same issue.

Fuji is even worse (including the new XT2) If you want to use Face Detect on a Fuji, Fuji turns off PDAF points on sensor completely, and you are in Contrast AF mode only. You want Phase Detect???? Gotta turn off that Face Detection. Which is pretty stupid, if I want to track someone by face in CAF mode and I need PDAF on sensor system for that. Sony lets you keep face detect and full PDAF at the same time and track by face no problems.
 
I heard it could cost around $3000.00

I think if that is true, that is far to much. You can buy a good Nikon or Canon for that amount.
But most of us wouldn't want to. I mean, think of the re-investment in lenses, most of which would be enormous. Lugging an equivalent kit could lead to hospitalization and long term physical therapy to recover from. No thank you, ma'am.
 
Love my Nikon D750, but will not travel with it! May get a Fuji Xt2 or Oly EM1 MKl 2,
 
If you want to see fast FD, try Panasonic GX7. After EM1, you will be shocked. GX7 Face Detection is instant, and i mean instant, and it does not matter if the face is straight to the camera, backwards, upside down, to the side, glasses, no glasses, face takes small portion of the display, face take big portion of the display, it is instant, which helps me achieve a very high amount of keepers of my kid in SAF mode. ...
Having recently added the GX7 to my E-M5 (I), I'm happy to see your rating of it (and was otherwise happy with it --like its feel, ...).

What happens with FD when there are multiple faces?

-d.
 
If you're looking at D500, XT2, and EM1II, I would dare say that you are not very focused on your needs...
All right lets talk about my needs. I am an enthusiast, I don't make money with photography, it is just an (expensive) hobby for me, which I looooove.

My main subject for my photography is my always running (changing directions) and moving his head and never sitting still, 4 year old boy.....

24575735104_9aac038705_k.jpg


he is almost never still and he is a challenge for most cameras out there

I sold my Sony A7RII - you know the jack of all trades camera, because its AF could not keep up with my child.

Fuji XT1 - could not keep up with him in SAF mode, in CAF mode, if you get the first photo in series in focus, there is a very good chance I would get the entire series in focus, but that was not consistent.

Nikon D800 and D750 - in 3D mode, I get more keepers, but still not a 100% percent keeper rate

Olympus EM1 - SAF - slow, face detect - very bad in comparison to Panasonic, CAF - actually not bad for my child tracking.

Panasonic GX7 - SAF amazing, almost all photos in focus, CAF - disappointing.

Panasonic GX8 - seems to be a tad slower than GX7, but faster than Olympus in SAF with face detection, CAF is not much better than GX7.

Canons through 5DM3 and 6D, 7D and 70D - not as good as Nikon D800 and D750.

All of the above I have tested and used and owned and shot thousands of shots with.

One camera I have not tested is Sony A6300. One problem with Sony is lenses are so freaking expensive.

I love mirorrless for travel. I recenlty left all my big cameras (including A7RII as lenses are huge) and went on two vacations just with m43 and it was such a great feeling, when you can pack 4 lenses in a bag and you don't even feel it!!!!

I hope between D500/A6300/XT2 and EM1M2, there will be a camera with autofocus which will acceptable to me.
Wow. You have a lot of great cameras and lenses in your stable. :)

Good luck, and report back which camera system you decide to purchase next that meets your requirements.

Lena

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Like others here, I suffer from chronic GAS.
Gear Acquisition Syndrome.
a few hundred nautical miles SW : 17º 52S, 149º 56W
 
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