E-M1 vs. A7II Thoughts

deednets wrote:

Jacques Cornell wrote:

olyflyer wrote:

Jacques Cornell wrote:

The larger sensor's DR advantage applies only with moving subjects.

That's a bit of a simplification.... a joke which shows that you don't know what you are talking about. DR advantages are ALWAYS advantages. Period.

That's a bit of a simplification... a joke which shows that you don't know what you are talking about. I get more DR from a 5-frame bracket with MFT than you get from a single capture with a 35mm sensor. Results are results. The infinitesimally small amount of additional work I have to do to get these results 1) is no burden at all, and 2) saves me thousands of dollars and several pounds of weight by letting me use a smaller, cheaper kit.

If you need to take 5 images and create pseudo DR through PP (or in camera) just to get similar DR to a large sensor camera then apart from wasting time you waste memory and need to have a pretty complex work flow and special software.

Complex, ha! Select, hit control-H, wait 60 seconds, done. If that's too much work for you, I suggest you just shoot JPEGs and do no post. "Special" software? Really? You consider Lightroom "special"? It's what 90% of pros and enthusiasts use.

If you take those images hand held then you will definitely not get the same quality as you would from a single image, no matter what kind of IBIS you are using.

Wrong. There is no loss of sharpness or detail from merging an exposure bracket.

Now, imagine having to do that for a few hundred images and you should see the advantages of having a camera with larger sensor and more DR. You can never really get the same kind of image by stacking images compared to a single image. HDR is not the same as sensor DR.

Wrong again. See above.

You know, I might have been willing to concede a minor point, but your attitude is so rude and hostile that I won't give you the satisfaction.

Your statement re "only an advantage for moving subjects" is a provocative one

and true

as the world is mainly a moving one, leaves in the wind, people maybe?

The world is both moving and still. AFAIK, for moving subjects, there is no easy way - other than shooting at a lower ISO - to increase the DR captured by a particular camera. If you need greater DR with moving subjects, you need a sensor that can deliver it with a single capture. For static scenes, HDR is a cheap & easy option.

or in short: with HDR bracketing you could "only" shoot a locker room at the Olympics in Rio but hardly anything else. If dynamic range is an issue. And it was on this occasion.

You can't use exposure bracketing with moving subjects. I thought I'd already made that clear.

I noticed your "only" also and thought that it belittled the larger range of FF. Your argument can be applied to high res as well, I guess? Same multi-frame issue?

Yes, it can, and I'm not belittling anything. I shot with Canon 1-series for a decade. I'm simply pointing out that buying a bigger, heavier, more expensive camera is not always the only solution. I routinely shoot for both HDR and stitching. I typically wind up with 40-60MP files that have 15+ stops of DR.

I did a test re hdr vs raw on the RX1r, jpg, but multi-frame versus 12-bit raw. In general the raws looked more confident as there often were little issues, minor ghosting or in fact moving parts, a branch looking silly etc. The raws just more solid.

You have to know when your subject is appropriate for HDR and when it's not. You also have to know how to use your HDR software's de-ghosting feature.

And one more thing: 90% of pros use Lightroom? What about the fashion industry? I would agree tha Lightroom is mainstream, but not with your 90% ... but maybe you are correct, where did you get that information from?

I read that somewhere but can't cite the source. I know dozens of pros in NYC, and they're about 90% LR. Fashion shooters make up a tiny fraction of all pros. In any case, there's no point in fixating on the exact percentage. LR holds an overwhelming majority of the market, and it's readily available to anyone who wants to explore the benefits of HDR.

Exposure bracketing and stitching do not eliminate the advantages of larger sensors. But they expand my toolbox sufficiently that I can accomplish what I want to just as well with MFT most of the time with minimal effort. YMMV.