Nikon 58mm f/1.4 G Criticisms

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I have been quite the antagonist against the bulk and cost of the 58/1.4G lens since its release. Only a little bit on this forum but more within our company and amongst the imaging community that we work within. I see little purpose, reason or benefit (to the user) of its inflated size and still feel that the price at release was speculative at best.

However, I just snagged a second hand one (very good price) for my own personal use and it is a very impressive lens indeed, optically. Wide open, it is (in spite of its reputation) really very sharp over much of the frame at the plane of focus and when stopped down a bit, it is crazy sharp. Just insanely sharp actually on my D810. The blur characteristic is extremely pleasant, as already noted by all of its proponents, and the transition from in focus to out of focus is very steep but not too abrupt so the look, although a little unnatural, is very very pleasing, even on faddish wafer thin DOF shots which, until now, I have always resisted.

AF on my D810 seems to be very accurate and is certainly quick enough for my uses, which includes grabs of the kids running about. Right now, I am struggling to understand why the seller wanted to get rid of it.

I still think that the size is just plain daft though; it gives the impression that Nikon padded it out to increase its perceived value but after using it, the price starts to become more digestible, particularly now that it new prices have dropped a few hundred. If you can find a nice used one, I'd say run, not walk, to get it.

No pics yet I'm afraid though; all shots thus far have been private and my family don't need to be shared across this forum. I simply wanted to add my own voice to the choir of folk who sing the praises of this lens. It really is something quite special. Even if it is a proper fatty.
 
There are so many bad reviews of this lens on the net. I cant understand why people judge lenses just by sharpness and numbers on graphs. Do they even take photos with their camera? The way this lens renders images is just unbeliveable.

The 58mm is pure magic, I just love that lens! It is part of my personal holy trinity togehter with the Nikon AF-S 24 1.4 and the AF-S 200 2.0.



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Panorama af f/2.2

Panorama af f/2.2
 
I still think that the size is just plain daft though; it gives the impression that Nikon padded it out to increase its perceived value
Well, look at it this way: at least we don't need to use a lenshood. If they make it smaller and so the front element is not so recessed, we will need to use a hood. Then in practice the size stays about the same, slimmer but probably longer with the hood on.
 
So why include the hood if it is not required?

My feeling is that if there is a design reason for the size, it is to better place the focus ring for manual use. Nikon obviously appreciates that this is a lens for which manual tweaking is a must.

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I see little purpose, reason or benefit (to the user) of its inflated size
I never really understood this criticism. I always felt the size was for ergonomics, actually. A fast lens like this can't exclusively rely on autofocus when used wipe open, and there's little point in splurging for such an expensive fast lens if not using wide open. So it makes sense to have ample room for the focus ring.
 
I see little purpose, reason or benefit (to the user) of its inflated size
I never really understood this criticism. I always felt the size was for ergonomics, actually. A fast lens like this can't exclusively rely on autofocus when used wipe open, and there's little point in splurging for such an expensive fast lens if not using wide open. So it makes sense to have ample room for the focus ring.
That is the conclusion which I arrive at just above (flat view) but to explain the size criticism, if one travels frequently by air, excessive size & mass are not plus points for equipment which would preferably be in carry-on baggage. Flights to the Americas often have generous hand luggage allowances but flights into Asia often have rather limiting ones, even on the more expensive seats.
 
Yeah. I feel like I am cheating when using it as the ease with which it churns out simply beautiful images seems wrong somehow.
 
Yeah. I feel like I am cheating when using it as the ease with which it churns out simply beautiful images seems wrong somehow.
Agreed, especially on the Df!

I paid full retail for mine, and would gladly do it again. I think it is worth every penny.

Having said that, I know that for many this lens is simply out of reach due to the high cost. Hopefully potential buyers will be able to find one used, but I rather doubt there will be many available that way.
 
i love my 58mm. it's my fav lens.
 
I certainly appreciate sharp, well corrected lenses and there are a few in the "normal" range that will outperform the Neo Noct in this regard. Yes, it is expensive, but compared to the asking price for the Noct-Nikkor 58/1.2 I'd claim that the Neo is better value for money. The Neo is not as sharp as the Noct-Nikkor 58/1.2 in the central area, its manual focusing mechanics and build quality is absolutely not as good but that's where the Neo stops loosing out. It maintains sharpness better towards the edges, its out of focus rendering (bokeh) and coma correction is just as good, and flare resistance is massively better - and it has AF. Stop it down to f/2-2.8 and you are quickly entering into sharper/contrastier rendering across the field. A very versatile lens indeed.
 
It has the diameter it has because of auto focus. The front lens shading is nice, but I'd rather have it the size of a 85/1.8 K and be manual focus. Guess they figure they can't sell manual focus lenses.
 
It has the diameter it has because of auto focus. The front lens shading is nice, but I'd rather have it the size of a 85/1.8 K and be manual focus. Guess they figure they can't sell manual focus lenses.

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I don't really buy the AF argument because the 50/1.4G has similarly sized elements in the focusing group and the AF motors are much the same too, I believe. I actually find the argument that it is for ease of manual focus much more compelling although I also think that Nikon felt that size wise, the 58 had to look like it fits properly between the 35 and the 85 so built it up to match the rest of the family.

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I have been quite the antagonist against the bulk and cost of the 58/1.4G lens since its release. Only a little bit on this forum but more within our company and amongst the imaging community that we work within. I see little purpose, reason or benefit (to the user) of its inflated size and still feel that the price at release was speculative at best.

However, I just snagged a second hand one (very good price) for my own personal use and it is a very impressive lens indeed, optically. Wide open, it is (in spite of its reputation) really very sharp over much of the frame at the plane of focus
If you can figure out where that is. ;-)

I think you will enjoy reading my new thread, "The Naked Truth About Bokeh," which starts out examining the 58G.

Yes, it's a unique optic.
 
Or even what shape it is! It snakes in and out depending on focus distance and as you have previously said, the retention of apparent focus behind the plane of actual focus confuses the eye rather. Your pinpoint analysis explains this rather nicely.

At closer focus distances, it almost feels like the plane of focus loops around behind one's ears at the edges (obviously, it doesn't!) but that just adds to the emphasis of the subject in a conventional portrait shot.

That in itself would be reason enough for this lens but when stopped down to f/8 with focus on more distant objects, this lens is going to be a favourite for landscape shooting as well. Grumbles about size and mass aside, this is an awesome lens although I do sort of feel that the capabilities of the lens further erode the need for creativity from the photographer. Moan moan. :-)
 
It always seems like the majority who like the lens are those who have shot with it and the majority who don't are the ones who haven't.

It really surprised me with how sharp it gets once stopped down even just a little. That's something left out of most reviews, even the positive ones.
 
It really surprised me with how sharp it gets once stopped down even just a little. That's something left out of most reviews, even the positive ones.
It's mentioned on the forums often but gets drowned out by all the responses of "a lens is useless if you can't use it wide open". No surprise it gets used a lot at f2.2-2.8.
 
Or even what shape it is! It snakes in and out depending on focus distance and as you have previously said, the retention of apparent focus behind the plane of actual focus confuses the eye rather. Your pinpoint analysis explains this rather nicely.

At closer focus distances, it almost feels like the plane of focus loops around behind one's ears at the edges (obviously, it doesn't!) but that just adds to the emphasis of the subject in a conventional portrait shot.

That in itself would be reason enough for this lens but when stopped down to f/8 with focus on more distant objects, this lens is going to be a favourite for landscape shooting as well.
Or, I could buy a 50D and use the remaining 1499 for an all expense trip to the French Alps :^)

The 58 is the obvious choice for the shallow DOF people.
Grumbles about size and mass aside, this is an awesome lens although I do sort of feel that the capabilities of the lens further erode the need for creativity from the photographer. Moan moan. :-)
Still no shortage of need for that :^)
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Really beautiful photograph!
 
I have a 50/1.4 D and it is in a different league. Better than the two 50G lenses, but much poorer than the 58. I was as surprised as you would be if you ever bothered to try one. ;-)

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