Quite a sad scene (Reality Image)

... and I was involved in a near-fatal motorcycle accident myself a
couple of years ago.

Yves is not a photojournalist, but that doesn't mean his images are
any less valad than if they had been taken by a seasoned pro.
Posting a picture of a piece of machinery next to some trucks isn't
heart wrenching nor is it distasteful to the family of the
victim(s).

The fact is that Yves wasn't intruding on anyones life. He saw
something that was in a public place and captured it. If any of you
had driven by, you would have seen the same thing. He wasn't
subjecting you to anything but the reality of the situation (and
ultimately that's what photo journalism does in part).

I've been sent to cover much worse and I've published photos that
were much more invasive and much more distasteful than this. Do I
feel bad about it? Nope. It's my job and it's part of life.

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.
I have mulled over the idea of adding my proverbial 2 cents to this discussion, and was leaning toward remaining in splendid isolation, as it were. The above referenced commentary, more than any other--even that containing the photo itself--must not be let to proceed without a reply.

The idea that you do not feel bad about what you describe as doing as a part of your job is something I find particularly disturbing. Each respondent likely has dealt with some tragedy of one kind or another; that is not the point. The point here, with respect to my objection, is that what is judged newsworthy is questionable to say the least.

I am reminding of the unfortunate task of having to confront a television "journalist" with much the same attitude, the very day of the murder of a loved one. Whether her alleged mind considered issues such as the event being a part of life, or the fact that she was just doing here job, I do not know. I do remember, however, that she was visibly irritated by my unwillingness to discuss the situation with her on camera. Lack of human decency is no excuse for doing one's job. If it were, the validity of careers such as heroin distribution or contract killing might merely be dismissed as being "part of life".

I do not say this to add yet another "sob story". I say it to illustrate my position that putting images (which are at LEAST as powerful as words) in the faces of people to intensify ( you, and others might say "to help tell the story") the impact of the story, is without question indicative of a sick, desensitized society. What was the song that referenced putting the widow on the set....I believe it was entitled "Dirty Laundry". Amazing how pertinent rock and roll music can be.

I find it incomprehensible that "media professionals" are not bothered by the presentation of such material. Reporting that someone died is one thing. Perpetuating the pain of the survivors, e.g. family members and friends, by publishing images such as these is quite another.

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never!
 
I work for a newspaper and am forced to agree with Tony. There is nothing special about this photo and I fail to see how anyone could view it as morbid. This is the kind of shot you will usually end up with at an accident though. You have to practically beat the rescue people there to get anything really good.
This is called photojournalism ...
Sorry you feel that way.
You must feel pretty bad when you watch the news ...
Yves P.
There's nothing special about your picture. You have a motorcycle
in the street on its' side. Nothing special.

Now if you had gotten there early enough to get the paramedics
working on the motorcycle's owner AND the motorcycle on its' side
then that would have been a much better image and might qualify as
photojournalism.

I don't have any problems with your image generally just do you know.

Tony B.
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Nikon D1H, Nikon n80, Nikkor 80-200ed, nikkor 24-85af-s g, Nikkor 80-400 VR, Nikkor 70-200 AF-S VR, Sigma 15-30, 170-500, 28-300, Tokina 75-300, Nikon SB-80
 
Some people seem just a little too sensitive here, as an ex policeman and motorcycle rider I've seen much, much worse in real life and in photographs. I almost lost my wife in a motorcycle accident once and I'm not throwing a fit about this photo. I have also lost a close relative in a car accident and wouldn't think of acting like a little girl if someone posted a car accident scene. If anything, photos like this help remind people that they need to drive safe.

P.S. Don't let some hypersensitive little girls keep you from posting your photos Yves!


Jason Busch wrote:

Yves,

First off, I don't have a problem with your post. The only thing is
maybe blurring the license plate of the motorcycle. This is what I
would do in any type of crash incident.

As to the other idiots on this forum, we have a lot of people who
just can't face reality and of course, bring their sob stories to
prove it. My cousin was killed in a vehicle crash, but I don't
start a morality campaign to bring him back to life vicariously
through your post like others have.

You touched a nerve, Yves, and many on this forum, as it appears,
can't deal with their own feelings--or their own life.

What I think is ironic, is the name of the tow truck company--Top
Speed. Now, I don't know what actually happened in this accident,
but from my experience, most guys on motorcycles are little
speedsters. I guess I could give the guy the benefit of a doubt,
but I have a hard time doing it. 9 times out of 10, where I live,
motorcycles disregard traffic laws and zoom in and out of traffic
like it was as normal as a daily routine.

If anything, this is a good message to those who may like to speed.

Also, it's not like you took a photo of the corpse and proudly
displayed it on DPR for everyone to see. That would be kinda out of
line. You merely showed the motorcycle, and then several guys on
this forum started crying like their candy and goodies got taken
away from them. Jesus.

C'mon guys. Life isn't a bunch of Cats, Flowers, and Squirrels.

It's really too bad this is not a photography forum, and is
instead, a morality forum. I remember when I posted photos of drug
dealers, and I was called immature to a man who was racist.
Amazing, isn't it?

The very fact you have raised controversy, is a good thing.

--
http://www.digitaldingus.com
http://pub103.ezboard.com/bthedigitaldinguscommunity

 
Hello Yves,

don't let some few people influence you in the
way you want to share things. If these are nice
shots of the wildlife and nature or other things
that concern you or you like to share.

Your pictures made me take part in this whole
photo thing and i am now very enthusiastic about
it.

Please, keep posting inspiring pictures. If they
are controversy, well than that’s it. Life itself is like
this ;-)

I hope to see many of your very good pictures
in the future. please

Thank you !

michael
Some people were getting tired of my posts and they now have a
reason to bark I guess...

It is my own fault, I have posted different stuff, nothing really
shocking (honnestly, this pic is not shocking either), just well
balanced well exposed images ...

There is so much different pictures I don't post on the forum
because it is not appropriate for many viewers and to the politics
of this forum (which I respect) ...

Nobody will have a reason to complain about my pictures anymore ...
:-)

I will still participate to the forum, I will still read the posts
and repliy to the ones that apply to me, I will still laugh when I
see a "My Canon camera is so much better than your Nikon" posts

Take care ...
... and I was involved in a near-fatal motorcycle accident myself a
couple of years ago.

Yves is not a photojournalist, but that doesn't mean his images are
any less valad than if they had been taken by a seasoned pro.
Posting a picture of a piece of machinery next to some trucks isn't
heart wrenching nor is it distasteful to the family of the
victim(s).

The fact is that Yves wasn't intruding on anyones life. He saw
something that was in a public place and captured it. If any of you
had driven by, you would have seen the same thing. He wasn't
subjecting you to anything but the reality of the situation (and
ultimately that's what photo journalism does in part).

I've been sent to cover much worse and I've published photos that
were much more invasive and much more distasteful than this. Do I
feel bad about it? Nope. It's my job and it's part of life.

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.
--
Yves P.
--
A fool with a tool is still a fool
http://www.pbase.com/mulchi/
 
I work for a newspaper and am forced to agree with Tony. There is
nothing special about this photo and I fail to see how anyone could
view it as morbid. This is the kind of shot you will usually end up
with at an accident though. You have to practically beat the rescue
people there to get anything really good.
Hi Wade!!! Are you still on the contest circuit? Didn't expect to find you here. I still get email from many wanting the possum farmer antics. Good to see you again!!

--
Larry Gleason
 
Yves,

I think you have the skill, I always enjoy your photo's as they are of objects we have here as well, and I realize that even with an 'ordinary' duck, one can get an amazing picture (can't blame it on that one anymore). It doesn't have to be some exotic bird.

You won't post pics anymore...fine...it's your choice, but I can't find a reasoning behind this. You post pictures on the internet, so I believe you must realize that some will like it and some will not. Are you so insecure that one "whooo" in a series of "wow" makes you run away ? Think about it. I believe you were thinking about making photography your main job. How will you handle a client who doesn't like what he sees ? Tell him that you won't show the rest of the pictures and go home ?

Concerning the picture, it doesn't offend me, and frankly it does nothing to me. It's a bike on it's side. Although well exposed, it tells no story. No emotions, nada. To me it's like people slowing down on the motorway to see what happend on the lanes in the other direction, so they will have something to say when they get home, as nothing exiting ever happens at work. Even the squirrels have something to say, like the laughing one you posted. That's why I don't understand what people get upset about and why. If this picture would be in someone's album, I'm sure you wouldn't even spend 2 seconds yourself looking at it. If you would have been on time to photograph how they try to reanimate the vicitm, or the reaction of the other party involved, it would tell something. Maybe it would be unethical, but there would be a story. And that, you could have captured without blood aswell. I also don't see what the link is between the accident and 'Top speed' written on the trucks. I'm sure you posted it because you were still 'taken' by the scene, you know the story behind it etc...no one else does here, sooo...

Don't take it as an offend, but try to thicken your skin a bit. If you're serious about photography you'll need it...that's why I keep it as a hobby ;-)

Keep shooting and posting,

--
Thomas
http://www.pbase.com/tomwac
 
I am new to this board.....does this happen all the time?

In my message above I stated that I found this picture morbid. This was only my opinion and I only felt this way because this picture reminded me of an accident that personally affected me years ago.

At no time was I trying to suggest that we censure one's right to post in this forum. I actually enjoy seeing blood and guts. I was only trying to add my 2 cents to the discussion.

Although I did find Yves response to my post...

"Sorry you feel this way, you must feel pretty bad when you watch the news..." comment somewhat impolite, hey its a free world :)

My sincerely apologizes if I started this row.

Gabe
 
This is a bad picture of a bike on it's side ...
I am new to this board.....does this happen all the time?

In my message above I stated that I found this picture morbid.
This was only my opinion and I only felt this way because this
picture reminded me of an accident that personally affected me
years ago.

At no time was I trying to suggest that we censure one's right to
post in this forum. I actually enjoy seeing blood and guts. I
was only trying to add my 2 cents to the discussion.

Although I did find Yves response to my post...
"Sorry you feel this way, you must feel pretty bad when you watch
the news..." comment somewhat impolite, hey its a free world :)

My sincerely apologizes if I started this row.

Gabe
--
Yves P.
 
So I think with that last post we can say END OF STORY.

What a hell of misunderstood here !!!

Hope this kind of thread will end here, I think this forum is very useful to ask, comment and exchange about photgraphy but communication can be very touchy when people are interpreting a text.

Hope everybody will be back to square one and will share this forum for what it exist.

Hope youi'll understand my mind even if my engliash is not so great.

Michel LR.

PS. Yves, you shared a lot with me hope you'll continu you're great work.

From all of us, thanks of lot for what you did and feel free to continu or not. It's your decision and I think everybody must respect that. You give me a lot of advice and that why I'm a new D100 owner.
 
I still do the contests, mostly just dpc, time is limited for me anymore. I did get a chance to go to Gettysburg for the Civil War Reenactments on Friday, incredible! I have to go next year and plan on staying for the whole 3 days and hopefully make it to the actual battle site.
I work for a newspaper and am forced to agree with Tony. There is
nothing special about this photo and I fail to see how anyone could
view it as morbid. This is the kind of shot you will usually end up
with at an accident though. You have to practically beat the rescue
people there to get anything really good.
Hi Wade!!! Are you still on the contest circuit? Didn't expect to
find you here. I still get email from many wanting the possum
farmer antics. Good to see you again!!

--
Larry Gleason
--

Nikon D1H, Nikon n80, Nikkor 80-200ed, nikkor 24-85af-s g, Nikkor 80-400 VR, Nikkor 70-200 AF-S VR, Sigma 15-30, 170-500, 28-300, Tokina 75-300, Nikon SB-80
 
Good! What great fun they are. Our local one is in February each year. Next will be my fourth. Always something good to pull out for contests! This year got socked by a microburst on the side of a tornado. Was hanging on to my D1X under my rairgear. Believe the weight plus lens is what kept me on the ground.
I work for a newspaper and am forced to agree with Tony. There is
nothing special about this photo and I fail to see how anyone could
view it as morbid. This is the kind of shot you will usually end up
with at an accident though. You have to practically beat the rescue
people there to get anything really good.
Hi Wade!!! Are you still on the contest circuit? Didn't expect to
find you here. I still get email from many wanting the possum
farmer antics. Good to see you again!!

--
Larry Gleason
--
Nikon D1H, Nikon n80, Nikkor 80-200ed, nikkor 24-85af-s g, Nikkor
80-400 VR, Nikkor 70-200 AF-S VR, Sigma 15-30, 170-500, 28-300,
Tokina 75-300, Nikon SB-80
--
Larry Gleason
 
Here are 4 photos of an accident that I covered for the newspaper recently. One of them was printed, guess which one. (info on the accident: the truck was hit from behind by someone who ran a stop sign, the truck spun around, rolled over and landed between two houses.)









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Nikon D1H, Nikon n80, Nikkor 80-200ed, nikkor 24-85af-s g, Nikkor 80-400 VR, Nikkor 70-200 AF-S VR, Sigma 15-30, 170-500, 28-300, Tokina 75-300, Nikon SB-80
 
Hi all

I am new to the Nikon forum and so have not seen much of Yves work - does that matter if i make a comment? As i can only judge the picture on its own merits i think it is actually a benefit, so here goes.

The furore that has surrounded the posting of the picture is quite remarkable. People die all the time - some peacefully, some painfully. Should we be able to take pictures that show or suggest human suffering then - definitely! Where would we be without some of the great images of the last century. Think of Nick Ut's picture of Kim Phuc running naked from a Napalm bombing at Trang Bang, Vietnam, her skin falling away from her back. An awful image - a brilliant photograph. There are many others that i could mention, i am sure you all have your own favourites though.

Is this particular photograph a great one though? Of course not and i don't suppose many of you think that. Yves does not claim so either. It is well exposed, the composition is OK, the subject matter suggests what has happened. There is nothing gruesome about it IMO. The fact that some people feel morbid when they view it is their personal reaction and so valid. The image itself cannot be morbid though as that would be to ascribe it a personality and feelings. The incident happened, get over it! The picture is not gratuitous and if it makes one or two people think about road safety it has served a worthwhile purpose.

The question that springs to my mind though is "why it is posted on the Nikon SLR forum?". It could have been taken with any half decent DSLR/SLR with a telephoto lens. It is crisp, i suppose, and so demonstrates the ability of the 70-200 lens but it is not posted in reply to a query about equipment or technique or workflow, etc., which i feel would make its posting worthwhile. I think there must be other forums more apt to display images that serve to showcase the ability of the photogrpaher. Displaying them on such a forum might well be the way to avoid stirring up such a hornets nest on what is after all a brand SLR forum.

Cheers
--
Darrell

P.S. some of my images can be seen at the site below

http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=287586
 
HEY!!! calm down folks stop this non-senses! Did the subject of the photo says : "Look the most incredible photo of an accident never been post here"?? NO. It just relate a sad scene that Yves wanted to share with us. So stop yelling about this EGO stuff! You guys don't even know Yves. He is a gentleman, always trying to help anyone who could need it. He would never claim himself to be the better photograph in the world! He's a very good person with NO ego problem! For those of you who think so it's just because of jalousy... nothing more. I have meet Yves in person and can tell you that he is the kind of friend that anybody would want to have! He is a VERY generous person who give more then he receive. So please stop saying those kind of thing and be peaceful.
Death on 2 wheels ...

I was going to meet my friend Michel LR and his familly when I saw
the scene, I grabbed my D-100 and 70-200 Combo and got a few shots
...

The poor motorcyclist was already gone ...



--
Yves P.
--
Phototech
Martin B.
 
Many years, I worked as Photo Tech and Darkroom tech for Police Dept, Detective, Lawyers, Museum, etc... Thousand times, I saw awful one... for Police depts or lawyers. I feel sorry for someone lost love one

1976 to 1978, I had motorcycles. My friend crashed my cycles when I was on vacation. He got cast on his cheat because broke his hip.
 

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