100-400 pricing and new equiment pricing generally
Hen3ry
•
Forum Pro
•
Posts: 18,218
100-400 pricing and new equiment pricing generally
Jul 17, 2016
12
I keep seeing references to Panasonic (and Olympus) price gouging when they introduce new equipment. Or complaints that the new item is just not worth the extra money compared with the older item.
There are a number of factors involved here.
- The actual costs -- developing a new item, even one that uses a lot of bits from established items, still has its research and development costs and its implementation costs of manufacturing. It must cost more than an established line -- at least initially.
- Manufacturers set up their write-off of the costs of development unevenly; they like to write off as much as possible early in the sales cycle so the first price includes a disproportionate share of the development costs.
- Having factored in those costs, manufacturers then look at what the market will bear. They do focus groups and surveys, they look at what is selling and for how much, then make their decisions about the launch price and the step-wise discounting throughout the product's life to come up with an overall return and profit figure. If a product proves unexpectedly popular, they will stretch out the discounting steps so that it holds its price at each level longer; if the market doesn't take it up, then they will compress the steps, discount the item faster, and accelerate the introduction of the next new product if possible.
- New equipment is generally aimed at a specific market or group of users or potential users. The Pen F is a classic case -- a very capable camera, so it would appeal to some regular m43 shooters, but also styled for hipsters. Olympus would have been hoping to attract buyers from among regular shooters, what we might call "real photographers" (without denigrating anyone else), who were attracted to the hipster style too, plus recruiting new users from among the hipsters who might have been using phones to date. Or whatever. On the other hand, Panasonic aimed its G7 solidly at its current G user base or people close to it. The "what the market will bear" pricing is set accordingly.
- New equipment might or might not be superior to what went before but at this stage, improvement will be incremental rather than revolutionary. This is a very important point. Take the Panasonic 100-400 as an example. Some people are saying things like "the improvement over the 100-300 is not so big, it is not worth paying 4 times more for the new lens". (4x is an exaggeration; about 3x is the factor.) Do they expect a 3x increase in performance for the 3x price? In fact, camera lenses have long been in the marginal improvement zone -- looking for that extra 1% of performance in the 95-100% zone. In this zone, the cost of improvement is exponential. The closer we edge towards the 100% perfect lens, the the faster the costs rise in a geometric progression. These are real costs.
- If we take the 100-400 as an example, there can be no doubt that it is a better performer than the 100-300 -- in fact, it is significantly better, a quite surprising move up in performance over a lens that has produced some very good work. Various formal tests show this, but even right now, there are two informal tests by fellow m43 users on this forum that show the difference. They are here and here . In addition, we have seen post after post of wonderful pix taken with the 100-400 and read descriptions of use that tell us it is way better than the 100-300 in AF, OIS, and build. It is clear that with the 100-400 we are seeing quite marked improvement, I reckon that far from the 100-400 being overpriced it might be said to be UNDER-priced taking into account the high costs of making thus kind of change.
- Given that more and more users are realizing this jump in performance, and even such grumpy old hold-outs as me are starting to waver (oh no!), I reckon that anyone waiting for the big discounts to begin on this lens will be waiting for some time.
- I would say the same thing goes for the Olympus f4 300 and its teleconverter -- it is a big step up in what is available at the long end of m43 but because it is a prime and basically a 300, and considerably more expensive than the Panasonic 100-400, it kind of stands alone so current Oly 75-300 and Panny 100-300 users who might be tempted by it can more easily maintain a mental distance between the two than they can between their current long zooms and the 100-400.
And that's all I have to say on this matter -- at the moment!
Hold out's retreat! Maybe the 100-300 was fine for this shot, but … AAAARRRGH!!!
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7
Panasonic G85
Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 9-18mm F4.0-5.6
Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm F1.8
Panasonic Lumix G X Vario PZ 45-175mm F4.0-5.6 ASPH OIS
+7 more
|
Post
(hide subjects)
|
Posted by
|
When
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 17, 2016
|
12 |
|
|
|
Jul 17, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 17, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2016
|
|
|
|
(unknown member)
|
Jul 18, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2016
|
2 |
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2016
|
1 |
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2016
|
1 |
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 18, 2016
|
2 |
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
2 |
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
|
|
(unknown member)
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 19, 2016
|
|
Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum
PPrevious
NNext
WNext unread
UUpvote
SSubscribe
RReply
QQuote
BBookmark
MMy threads
Color scheme?
Blue /
Yellow
|
|
|
|
|
Mar 1, 2023
|
Feb 27, 2023
|
Feb 15, 2023
|
Feb 9, 2023
|
The Fujifilm X-T5 is the company's latest classically-styled APS-C mirrorless camera. It gains the 40MP sensor and AF system from the X-H2 but in a body with a more stills-focused slant. We've been putting it through its paces.
We're Noct messing around with this review.
Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom impress in a lot of ways, but their noise reduction lags the competition and their lens corrections lack a real-world basis. DxO PureRAW 3 aims to come to their rescue without totally reinventing your workflow!
The Sony ZV-E1 is the company's latest vlogging-focused camera: a full-frame mirrorless camera based the FX3/a7S III sensor, aimed at YouTubers and 'creators' looking to go pro.
The Sony ZV-E1 is a full frame camera targeting YouTubers. Chris and Jordan are Youtubers, what do they think?
Above $2500 cameras tend to become increasingly specialized, making it difficult to select a 'best' option. We case our eye over the options costing more than $2500 but less than $4000, to find the best all-rounder.
There are a lot of photo/video cameras that have found a role as B-cameras on professional film productions or even A-cameras for amateur and independent productions. We've combed through the options and selected our two favorite cameras in this class.
What’s the best camera for around $2000? These capable cameras should be solid and well-built, have both the speed and focus to capture fast action and offer professional-level image quality. In this buying guide we’ve rounded up all the current interchangeable lens cameras costing around $2000 and recommended the best.
Family moments are precious and sometimes you want to capture that time spent with loved ones or friends in better quality than your phone can manage. We've selected a group of cameras that are easy to keep with you, and that can adapt to take photos wherever and whenever something memorable happens.
What's the best camera for shooting sports and action? Fast continuous shooting, reliable autofocus and great battery life are just three of the most important factors. In this buying guide we've rounded-up several great cameras for shooting sports and action, and recommended the best.