Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000?

Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
I'm thinking of purchasing the Batis18, just waiting for more reviews and more feedback from this forum (anybody have one yet?). From what little is out there so far things look good. I'm also going to upgrade to full frame at some point so I'm trying to stick to full frame lenses where possible.

Before the Batis came out I was considering the Touit 12mm which is an interesting focal length, and after renting both the Touit and the Sigma 19 I prefferred the touit (Sigma owners please have mercy on me).
How can you compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens? They are completely different, the 12mm being equivalent to 18mm and the 19mm being equivalent to about 28mm. That's a whale of a lot of difference and comparing them is really a matter of preferred shooting style and subject matter.
It's quite easy to compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens, you put them on your camera, go out and take shots, and then figure out what works for you. Selecting lenses is not all about mtf charts and pixel peeping identical shots but also exploring what focal length works for the shots your taking and the style you're looking for.

Also read the OP's question, it's quite general, better wide angle lenses?
Sure, the OP is looking at a very broad category of lenses (wide angle). The point is a 12mm lens can only be compared with another lens of the same or approximately the same focal length. There is no similarity between the 19mm Sigma and the 12mm Touit. They are completely different lenses for completely different applications. Nineteen millimeters, for example is for the most part insufficiently wide enough for most interior shots. Twelve millimeters may be too wide for many landscape shots. You really cannot say that one is better than the other. They are just different.
I think you're simply misintepreting my post and thinking about this in a purely technical optical performance persepctive in which case I don't disagree with what your saying. More to point though, I didn't actually say one is better than the other nor did I state any form of technical comparison was made, I just said I preffered the Touit, am I allowed to prefer one lens over another when they have different FL or is this against forum rules :-).
 
Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
I'm thinking of purchasing the Batis18, just waiting for more reviews and more feedback from this forum (anybody have one yet?). From what little is out there so far things look good. I'm also going to upgrade to full frame at some point so I'm trying to stick to full frame lenses where possible.

Before the Batis came out I was considering the Touit 12mm which is an interesting focal length, and after renting both the Touit and the Sigma 19 I prefferred the touit (Sigma owners please have mercy on me).
How can you compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens? They are completely different, the 12mm being equivalent to 18mm and the 19mm being equivalent to about 28mm. That's a whale of a lot of difference and comparing them is really a matter of preferred shooting style and subject matter.
It's quite easy to compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens, you put them on your camera, go out and take shots, and then figure out what works for you. Selecting lenses is not all about mtf charts and pixel peeping identical shots but also exploring what focal length works for the shots your taking and the style you're looking for.

Also read the OP's question, it's quite general, better wide angle lenses?
Sure, the OP is looking at a very broad category of lenses (wide angle). The point is a 12mm lens can only be compared with another lens of the same or approximately the same focal length. There is no similarity between the 19mm Sigma and the 12mm Touit. They are completely different lenses for completely different applications. Nineteen millimeters, for example is for the most part insufficiently wide enough for most interior shots. Twelve millimeters may be too wide for many landscape shots. You really cannot say that one is better than the other. They are just different.
I think you're simply misintepreting my post and thinking about this in a purely technical optical performance persepctive in which case I don't disagree with what your saying. More to point though, I didn't actually say one is better than the other nor did I state any form of technical comparison was made, I just said I preffered the Touit, am I allowed to prefer one lens over another when they have different FL or is this against forum rules :-).
So that I don't misunderstand you again, let me summarize what I think you are saying. You simply prefer the 12mm Touit to the 19mm Sigma based upon your judgment that the Touit works better for you. Others, of course, might well come to the contrary conclusion based upon unstated reasons of their own. I'm not sure how this type of advice could be helpful to the OP, but so be it.
 
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I dont understand why you do not consider the samy 21 as it matches perfectly with the focal length
 
Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
I'm thinking of purchasing the Batis18, just waiting for more reviews and more feedback from this forum (anybody have one yet?). From what little is out there so far things look good. I'm also going to upgrade to full frame at some point so I'm trying to stick to full frame lenses where possible.

Before the Batis came out I was considering the Touit 12mm which is an interesting focal length, and after renting both the Touit and the Sigma 19 I prefferred the touit (Sigma owners please have mercy on me).
How can you compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens? They are completely different, the 12mm being equivalent to 18mm and the 19mm being equivalent to about 28mm. That's a whale of a lot of difference and comparing them is really a matter of preferred shooting style and subject matter.
It's quite easy to compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens, you put them on your camera, go out and take shots, and then figure out what works for you. Selecting lenses is not all about mtf charts and pixel peeping identical shots but also exploring what focal length works for the shots your taking and the style you're looking for.

Also read the OP's question, it's quite general, better wide angle lenses?
Sure, the OP is looking at a very broad category of lenses (wide angle). The point is a 12mm lens can only be compared with another lens of the same or approximately the same focal length. There is no similarity between the 19mm Sigma and the 12mm Touit. They are completely different lenses for completely different applications. Nineteen millimeters, for example is for the most part insufficiently wide enough for most interior shots. Twelve millimeters may be too wide for many landscape shots. You really cannot say that one is better than the other. They are just different.
I think you're simply misintepreting my post and thinking about this in a purely technical optical performance persepctive in which case I don't disagree with what your saying. More to point though, I didn't actually say one is better than the other nor did I state any form of technical comparison was made, I just said I preffered the Touit, am I allowed to prefer one lens over another when they have different FL or is this against forum rules :-).
So that I don't misunderstand you again, let me summarize what I think you are saying. You simply prefer the 12mm Touit to the 19mm Sigma based upon your judgment that the Touit works better for you. Others, of course, might well come to the contrary conclusion based upon unstated reasons of their own. I'm not sure how this type of advice could be helpful to the OP, but so be it.
If I was asking the forum about lens selection, I most certainly would like to hear from people who have actually used multiple lenses which ones they prefer, certainly beats non contributing trolling?
 
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Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
I'm thinking of purchasing the Batis18, just waiting for more reviews and more feedback from this forum (anybody have one yet?). From what little is out there so far things look good. I'm also going to upgrade to full frame at some point so I'm trying to stick to full frame lenses where possible.

Before the Batis came out I was considering the Touit 12mm which is an interesting focal length, and after renting both the Touit and the Sigma 19 I prefferred the touit (Sigma owners please have mercy on me).
How can you compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens? They are completely different, the 12mm being equivalent to 18mm and the 19mm being equivalent to about 28mm. That's a whale of a lot of difference and comparing them is really a matter of preferred shooting style and subject matter.
It's quite easy to compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens, you put them on your camera, go out and take shots, and then figure out what works for you. Selecting lenses is not all about mtf charts and pixel peeping identical shots but also exploring what focal length works for the shots your taking and the style you're looking for.

Also read the OP's question, it's quite general, better wide angle lenses?
Sure, the OP is looking at a very broad category of lenses (wide angle). The point is a 12mm lens can only be compared with another lens of the same or approximately the same focal length. There is no similarity between the 19mm Sigma and the 12mm Touit. They are completely different lenses for completely different applications. Nineteen millimeters, for example is for the most part insufficiently wide enough for most interior shots. Twelve millimeters may be too wide for many landscape shots. You really cannot say that one is better than the other. They are just different.
I think you're simply misintepreting my post and thinking about this in a purely technical optical performance persepctive in which case I don't disagree with what your saying. More to point though, I didn't actually say one is better than the other nor did I state any form of technical comparison was made, I just said I preffered the Touit, am I allowed to prefer one lens over another when they have different FL or is this against forum rules :-).
So that I don't misunderstand you again, let me summarize what I think you are saying. You simply prefer the 12mm Touit to the 19mm Sigma based upon your judgment that the Touit works better for you. Others, of course, might well come to the contrary conclusion based upon unstated reasons of their own. I'm not sure how this type of advice could be helpful to the OP, but so be it.
If I was asking the forum about lens selection, I most certainly would like to hear from people who have actually used multiple lenses which ones they prefer, certainly beats non contributing trolling?
Not trolling, just clarifying. You didn't specify WHY you preferred the 12mm lens to the 19mm lens, other than you preferred the 12mm focal length. It may be of interest that the Sigma is rated sharper and better than the Zeiss by DxOmark, although that is of limited significance given the optical issues in making the much wider Zeiss.
 
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Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
I'm thinking of purchasing the Batis18, just waiting for more reviews and more feedback from this forum (anybody have one yet?). From what little is out there so far things look good. I'm also going to upgrade to full frame at some point so I'm trying to stick to full frame lenses where possible.

Before the Batis came out I was considering the Touit 12mm which is an interesting focal length, and after renting both the Touit and the Sigma 19 I prefferred the touit (Sigma owners please have mercy on me).
How can you compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens? They are completely different, the 12mm being equivalent to 18mm and the 19mm being equivalent to about 28mm. That's a whale of a lot of difference and comparing them is really a matter of preferred shooting style and subject matter.
It's quite easy to compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens, you put them on your camera, go out and take shots, and then figure out what works for you. Selecting lenses is not all about mtf charts and pixel peeping identical shots but also exploring what focal length works for the shots your taking and the style you're looking for.

Also read the OP's question, it's quite general, better wide angle lenses?
Sure, the OP is looking at a very broad category of lenses (wide angle). The point is a 12mm lens can only be compared with another lens of the same or approximately the same focal length. There is no similarity between the 19mm Sigma and the 12mm Touit. They are completely different lenses for completely different applications. Nineteen millimeters, for example is for the most part insufficiently wide enough for most interior shots. Twelve millimeters may be too wide for many landscape shots. You really cannot say that one is better than the other. They are just different.
I think you're simply misintepreting my post and thinking about this in a purely technical optical performance persepctive in which case I don't disagree with what your saying. More to point though, I didn't actually say one is better than the other nor did I state any form of technical comparison was made, I just said I preffered the Touit, am I allowed to prefer one lens over another when they have different FL or is this against forum rules :-).
So that I don't misunderstand you again, let me summarize what I think you are saying. You simply prefer the 12mm Touit to the 19mm Sigma based upon your judgment that the Touit works better for you. Others, of course, might well come to the contrary conclusion based upon unstated reasons of their own. I'm not sure how this type of advice could be helpful to the OP, but so be it.
If I was asking the forum about lens selection, I most certainly would like to hear from people who have actually used multiple lenses which ones they prefer, certainly beats non contributing trolling?
Not trolling, just clarifying. You didn't specify WHY you preferred one lens to the other, that is, the factors that led to your preference for one over the other. Simply that you have a preference is not useful information without an articulable basis for the preference. So, help us out here.
I guess I'm confused, you said you can't compare these lenses, but now your asking me for my comparison / reasoning for preferring the Touit?

Regarding the Touit, firstly in terms of optics, I liked the 12mm FL, my first time trying UWA and it would have added to my FL range selection as my next shortest FL is 16mm. I also like the OOC color rendering of the Touit, though I'm sure with some minor post processing I could achieve same with the Sigma. Also sharpness was impressive for such a wide angle and actually quite similar to the Sigma in this respect, but the Sigma did have sharper corners which I'd generally expect with it being 19mm vs the Touit 12mm. The more obvious benefits of the Touit were it's build quality which I liked a lot and thats important to me. Also the A6000 has a lens profile for auto corrections when using the Touit. Having AF (vs the Rokinon / Samyang) may be of benefit to some depending on their planned use of the lens.

I also compared the Sigma 19mm to my 1670F4 and to me it just didn't offer enough improvement and so I'd probably rarely / never put it on the camera.

I'm now looking at the Batis 18mm and Loxia 21mm :-D
 
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Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
I'm thinking of purchasing the Batis18, just waiting for more reviews and more feedback from this forum (anybody have one yet?). From what little is out there so far things look good. I'm also going to upgrade to full frame at some point so I'm trying to stick to full frame lenses where possible.

Before the Batis came out I was considering the Touit 12mm which is an interesting focal length, and after renting both the Touit and the Sigma 19 I prefferred the touit (Sigma owners please have mercy on me).
How can you compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens? They are completely different, the 12mm being equivalent to 18mm and the 19mm being equivalent to about 28mm. That's a whale of a lot of difference and comparing them is really a matter of preferred shooting style and subject matter.
It's quite easy to compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens, you put them on your camera, go out and take shots, and then figure out what works for you. Selecting lenses is not all about mtf charts and pixel peeping identical shots but also exploring what focal length works for the shots your taking and the style you're looking for.

Also read the OP's question, it's quite general, better wide angle lenses?
Sure, the OP is looking at a very broad category of lenses (wide angle). The point is a 12mm lens can only be compared with another lens of the same or approximately the same focal length. There is no similarity between the 19mm Sigma and the 12mm Touit. They are completely different lenses for completely different applications. Nineteen millimeters, for example is for the most part insufficiently wide enough for most interior shots. Twelve millimeters may be too wide for many landscape shots. You really cannot say that one is better than the other. They are just different.
I think you're simply misintepreting my post and thinking about this in a purely technical optical performance persepctive in which case I don't disagree with what your saying. More to point though, I didn't actually say one is better than the other nor did I state any form of technical comparison was made, I just said I preffered the Touit, am I allowed to prefer one lens over another when they have different FL or is this against forum rules :-).
So that I don't misunderstand you again, let me summarize what I think you are saying. You simply prefer the 12mm Touit to the 19mm Sigma based upon your judgment that the Touit works better for you. Others, of course, might well come to the contrary conclusion based upon unstated reasons of their own. I'm not sure how this type of advice could be helpful to the OP, but so be it.
If I was asking the forum about lens selection, I most certainly would like to hear from people who have actually used multiple lenses which ones they prefer, certainly beats non contributing trolling?
Not trolling, just clarifying. You didn't specify WHY you preferred one lens to the other, that is, the factors that led to your preference for one over the other. Simply that you have a preference is not useful information without an articulable basis for the preference. So, help us out here.
I guess I'm confused, you said you can't compare these lenses, but now your asking me for my comparison / reasoning for preferring the Touit?

Regarding the Touit, firstly in terms of optics, I liked the 12mm FL, my first time trying UWA and it would have added to my FL range selection as my next shortest FL is 16mm. I also like the OOC color rendering of the Touit, though I'm sure with some minor post processing I could achieve same with the Sigma. Also sharpness was impressive for such a wide angle and actually quite similar to the Sigma in this respect, but the Sigma did have sharper corners which I'd generally expect with it being 19mm vs the Touit 12mm. The more obvious benefits of the Touit were it's build quality which I liked a lot and thats important to me. Also the A6000 has a lens profile for auto corrections when using the Touit. Having AF (vs the Rokinon / Samyang) may be of benefit to some depending on their planned use of the lens.

I also compared the Sigma 19mm to my 1670F4 and to me it just didn't offer enough improvement and so I'd probably rarely / never put it on the camera.

I'm now looking at the Batis 18mm and Loxia 21mm :-D
Excellent summary. I too find I have a lot of use for the 12mm Touit and it is reasonably sharp with good contrast and color. I like the 21mm F4 Voigtlander, so probably am not interested in expanding in that focal length area, although, like you, I rarely remove the 16-70 except where I see a real keeper in the FL range that promises a great blowup. The 21mm Voigtlander works well enough on APSC, but reportedly produces smearing and color shift at the corners in FF.
 
Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
I'm thinking of purchasing the Batis18, just waiting for more reviews and more feedback from this forum (anybody have one yet?). From what little is out there so far things look good. I'm also going to upgrade to full frame at some point so I'm trying to stick to full frame lenses where possible.

Before the Batis came out I was considering the Touit 12mm which is an interesting focal length, and after renting both the Touit and the Sigma 19 I prefferred the touit (Sigma owners please have mercy on me).
How can you compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens? They are completely different, the 12mm being equivalent to 18mm and the 19mm being equivalent to about 28mm. That's a whale of a lot of difference and comparing them is really a matter of preferred shooting style and subject matter.
It's quite easy to compare a 19mm lens with a 12mm lens, you put them on your camera, go out and take shots, and then figure out what works for you. Selecting lenses is not all about mtf charts and pixel peeping identical shots but also exploring what focal length works for the shots your taking and the style you're looking for.

Also read the OP's question, it's quite general, better wide angle lenses?
Sure, the OP is looking at a very broad category of lenses (wide angle). The point is a 12mm lens can only be compared with another lens of the same or approximately the same focal length. There is no similarity between the 19mm Sigma and the 12mm Touit. They are completely different lenses for completely different applications. Nineteen millimeters, for example is for the most part insufficiently wide enough for most interior shots. Twelve millimeters may be too wide for many landscape shots. You really cannot say that one is better than the other. They are just different.
I think you're simply misintepreting my post and thinking about this in a purely technical optical performance persepctive in which case I don't disagree with what your saying. More to point though, I didn't actually say one is better than the other nor did I state any form of technical comparison was made, I just said I preffered the Touit, am I allowed to prefer one lens over another when they have different FL or is this against forum rules :-).
So that I don't misunderstand you again, let me summarize what I think you are saying. You simply prefer the 12mm Touit to the 19mm Sigma based upon your judgment that the Touit works better for you. Others, of course, might well come to the contrary conclusion based upon unstated reasons of their own. I'm not sure how this type of advice could be helpful to the OP, but so be it.
If I was asking the forum about lens selection, I most certainly would like to hear from people who have actually used multiple lenses which ones they prefer, certainly beats non contributing trolling?
Not trolling, just clarifying. You didn't specify WHY you preferred one lens to the other, that is, the factors that led to your preference for one over the other. Simply that you have a preference is not useful information without an articulable basis for the preference. So, help us out here.
I guess I'm confused, you said you can't compare these lenses, but now your asking me for my comparison / reasoning for preferring the Touit?

Regarding the Touit, firstly in terms of optics, I liked the 12mm FL, my first time trying UWA and it would have added to my FL range selection as my next shortest FL is 16mm. I also like the OOC color rendering of the Touit, though I'm sure with some minor post processing I could achieve same with the Sigma. Also sharpness was impressive for such a wide angle and actually quite similar to the Sigma in this respect, but the Sigma did have sharper corners which I'd generally expect with it being 19mm vs the Touit 12mm. The more obvious benefits of the Touit were it's build quality which I liked a lot and thats important to me. Also the A6000 has a lens profile for auto corrections when using the Touit. Having AF (vs the Rokinon / Samyang) may be of benefit to some depending on their planned use of the lens.

I also compared the Sigma 19mm to my 1670F4 and to me it just didn't offer enough improvement and so I'd probably rarely / never put it on the camera.

I'm now looking at the Batis 18mm and Loxia 21mm :-D
Excellent summary. I too find I have a lot of use for the 12mm Touit and it is reasonably sharp with good contrast and color. I like the 21mm F4 Voigtlander, so probably am not interested in expanding in that focal length area, although, like you, I rarely remove the 16-70 except where I see a real keeper in the FL range that promises a great blowup. The 21mm Voigtlander works well enough on APSC, but reportedly produces smearing and color shift at the corners in FF.
As soon as the Batis 18 is available at lens rentals (mid June) I'll rent that and the Loxia 21 and post back some pics, every pic I see with the Loxia blows me away, but the Batis has a more desirable FL for landscapes whilst I'm still on APSC.
 
Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
The best wide angle lens available for APS-C E mount is the 12mm Touit. That's really all there is to it. The lens is stunning and one of the best lanscape lenses.
 
Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
The best wide angle lens available for APS-C E mount is the 12mm Touit. That's really all there is to it. The lens is stunning and one of the best lanscape lenses.
except that the samyang is brigther and significantly cheaper
 
To avoid creating a new thread, would you guys (if manual focusing was not an issue) get the Samyang 21 f1.4 at 350€ new or the Zeiss 24 f1.8 at 560€ used ? So just in terms of IQ
 
Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
The best wide angle lens available for APS-C E mount is the 12mm Touit. That's really all there is to it. The lens is stunning and one of the best lanscape lenses.
Would you rate higher the Touit or the Batis in terms of IQ and color/contrast, regardless of focal length?
 
Is there a better wide angle lens for a6000 than the Sigma 19mm f2,8 EX DN ?
The best wide angle lens available for APS-C E mount is the 12mm Touit. That's really all there is to it. The lens is stunning and one of the best lanscape lenses.
Would you rate higher the Touit or the Batis in terms of IQ and color/contrast, regardless of focal length?
I haven't used the Batis. The focal length will be so different, they are not comparable at all. I can say the overall color and microcontrast will be similar. That is Zeiss' trademark and the trained eye can see it well.
 
My Samyang is as sharp or even sharper than my 24 in the corners
 
So for someone who cares about quality, the Samyang is a great alternative (appart MF) ? To be honest I don't like buying used expensive lenses and cannot afford to buy a brand new Zeiss.
 

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