24 35 sigma vs 18 35g

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Hi all I am considering buying a wa zoom for landscapes for use with my d610 I have rented the 16 35 and the 14 24 and the sigma 24 35 in the past for specific shoots and been impressed with all three.

My question is i currently can either purchase a used 18 35g in near mint condition for 500 or a brand new 24 35 sigma for 800.I primarily shoot on tripod at small apertures how much of a difference is there between them at smaller apertures and does it justify the size and cost?

I think 24 should most often be wide enough for me and I do like sunstars.

However of more importance to me is sharpness contrast and rich saturated color .

Thanks so much!
 
I shot this with my Nikon 18-35 on a D610 facing south shortly afternoon on a very sunny Sunday in Annapolis, Maryland just to get sunstars.

I love my Nikon 18-35, which I paid full price for. If you can get it for$500, that's a really nice deal.
 
Hi Dan thanks so much those do look great do you need to stop down to f16 or do they show up arnd f11 ?
 
On that one (and another like it ) I went out of my way to get them, so stopped down to f/16.

Here's one at f/9 on the front of the dark red car in front left. Less distinct here.

This is another at f/16 , and is amusing to me because some of the areas of sun reflecting on the waves have sunstars. I wasn't trying to get them - I was just trying to get as much depth of field as possible with my daughter in the foreground. It was also very bright out and I struggle using CP filters at 18mm, so I had it stopped way down.

But I guess to answer your question, I usually don't shoot cars and try not to shoot at mid-day, so I don't get a lot of sunstars unless I do them on purpose. I could test it for you - but it's been rainy and dreary here lately...
 
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I hear you in general these pictures look great colors are rich and nice sharp contrast.

Are they sooc?

I don't often care about sunstars but its a nice bonus sometimes.

Thanks again for all the help

Dovy
 
I had to look up what "sooc" means. No they're not sooc -- I try to shoot raw and then work on white balance, contrast, etc using CS6.
 
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I think these are both great, attractive lenses (I have the 18-35 and am still thinking of the 24-35/2 as 24 and 28 are two of my favorite FLs), but just out of curiosity, if you mostly shoot at small apertures and are not afraid of the Sigma's weight, why not also consider the very highly regarded Tamron 15-30?

-TBri
 
Hi there,

i don't particularly care for the weight and added cost of the sigma and if i could achieve similar results with a smaller lighter and cheaper lens why not?:-)
 
I don't particularly care for the weight and added cost of the sigma and if i could achieve similar results with a smaller lighter and cheaper lens why not?:-)
It really depends on how you define "similar results." At smaller apertures, I would expect there to be very little difference between these two lenses in terms of overall resolving power or CA. And from what I can tell from DXOMark, there ain't a lot to choose from in terms of vignetting or distortion in the common range of apertures and focal lengths. But either lens will let you get shots the other one can't.

After renting a 24-35mm f/2 in September, I wrote "I'd rather have the extra width of the 17-35mm f/2.8 Nikkor than the extra stop of the 24-35mm f/2.0 Sigma." So I think I'll be able to resist the temptation of the B&H $200 off deal. But there are a couple of hours left to go, so I'm not sure.

Regardless of what I decide for myself, I just don't see the 24-35mm f/2 as a good fit for your intended use or budget.

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Might as well get a 24 prime and a 35, these lengths have been beaten like a dead horse over the century to even consider them in a zoom.

UWA and Tele are addicting if you start pushing the envelope, so go as wide or as long as you can afford for the IQ you'll get.
 
Wow. A lot of the responses have utterly missed that these two zooms are rather different in their performance, even at small apertures. I own the 24-35 (along with primes within it's range) and I used to own the 18-35, so I have a pretty good idea of the lenses characteristics.

Outside of the obvious focal length coverage differences it comes down to these two points:

1) Are distant corners and edges important to you in what you do and are you willing to give up some of #2 below to get it?

2) Is central zone rendering (subjective) and micro-contrast at close to moderate distance subjects important to you (and you are willing to give up some of #1 above to get it)?

If #1 is your thing, the 18-35G is clearly your lens. If #2 is your thing, the Sigma 24-35 is your lens. I find them actually substantially different.

I don't know (specifically) what you shoot, so I can only tell you why I have the 24-35 around at the moment. I shoot studio (mostly), often with wider lengths (35-50) and landscape (secondardily) at the 20 through 135mm range most of the time, with a lot of time spent in the 20-35mm end of things. I am very picky, and I shoot a D800E. When I'm out shooting landscape, I bring a prime collection along - 20/1.8G, 24/1.4 Sigma art or Nikon 24/1.8G (I have both in house at the moment), and 35/1.4 Sigma art. For landscape, the only reason I would bring the 24-35 Sigma along is if I think I'm going to be in a very specific situation where my main subject is predominantly in the center and I have a lot of things in the near corners that are important. I generally won't carry it because at distance, even stopped down, the edges and corners of distant objects are *not* satisfactory for me. The primes are better. The 18-35 I used to have is better. The 14-24 is better. Etc. The 24-35 has a distinct field curvature that favors things near at the definite expense of things far, and thus, if your scene fits that, you'll be in heaven, but on the other hand, if your scene doesn't fit that, you won't be happy - at all. The Sigma 35/1.4 Art prime is better at distant corners and edges, as is the 24/1.4 Art or Nikon 24/1.8G.

In the studio I like the 24-35, and use it mostly there, because the central region is superb - it has a *different* subjective rendering (not better, not worse - just different, as in, choices are good) than the Sigma 35/1.4 Art, which is my most used lens in the studio for what I shoot. Very broadly speaking the Sigma art prime will trend very slightly towards lean and detailed (subjectively) and the Sigma art zoom will trend very slightly towards romantic and slightly bold(subjectively). The prime is slightly sharper in the center, in the studio, but the zoom is right behind it. For studio work, I am not concerned too much about edges/corners and in fact near-corner favoring field curvature is often beneficial.

The 18-35 is more "even" across the frame at distance, and thus it's better for distant corners/edges. However, it does not have the (subjective) "life" nor superb central zone sharpness of the 24-35/2 zoom. It will show some minor faults on a 36mp body in the corners and edges, but not as much as the 24-35/2 zoom, and on a 24mp body, it's likely an excellent fit (although I'd still go with the prime kit mentioned below)

So it's a matter of which is more important. The Sigma art zoom is also very large - 82mm filters, and much heavier/larger than the 18-35. Honestly, if I were trying to travel light and maintain very high quality, I'd carry the 20/1.8G and 24/1.8G Nikkors (both are bloody excellent lenses, particularly that 24 which is IMO the best of the entire 1.8G lineup and easily so) and possibly a 35mm prime of some flavor - the Sigma 35/1.4 Art is heavier, but the Nikon 35/1.8G FX and also the Tamron 35/1.8 VC are also extremely good choices. I would run with that three prime kit over either the 18-35 or 24-35 zoom for landscape every day.

-m
 
I have the 14-24mm f2.8 and wanted more zoom range and so tried the 16-35mm but the image quality was not nearly so good. I later bought the 18-35mm f/3.5G lens to get the zoom range and better image quality than I saw with the 16-35mm lens.

24-35mm would be too narrow a zoom range and I would always go with the Nikon 18-35mm instead. Be sure it is the newer G lens.
 
Thank you very much for a perfect answer! defined my needs for me very clearly and i think i will go with the 18 35g because i find that at this point the landscapes that i am taking pictures of are at far distances and although i don't pixel peep i do occasionally print large sizes .

btw whenever i have gear questions i always search these forums and i am consistently impressed with your informative and comprehensive answers.

thanks

dovy
 
Hi michael thanks so much for the advice it did dovetail with my opinion and with another mike and i think i will go forward with the 18 35.
 
Both are very different animals. 18mm is extremely different than 24mm in terms of the creative possibilities it opens up and similarly f/2 opens up possibilities that an f/3.5-4.5 lens doesn't give you.

Personally I've been impressed by the 18-35G. It works really well as a light weight walk around landscape lens. If, as you mention, you plan on shooting stopped down a lot and aren't planning on using larger apertures, I think I'd prefer that because I really do find the range and light weight appealing. If you are 100% sure that you don't need the 18-24 and don't mind the weight then perhaps the Sigma becomes a solid choice.
 
Might as well get a 24 prime and a 35, these lengths have been beaten like a dead horse over the century to even consider them in a zoom.
If the zoom in question was any plain 'ole zoom I might agree but we're talking about an f2 zoom. It's a perfect fit for me as I equally love 24mm, 35mm, mostly shoot close to moderate distances, wanted faster than f2.8, and avoiding lens changes in that focal range combined with all those qualities more than makes up for using separate primes.
 
... these lengths have been beaten like a dead horse over the century to even consider them in a zoom.
Sorry, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Like many people I've done a lot more than "consider them in a zoom." For close to 30 years, I've owned and used either a 24-40mm f/2.8, a 20-35mm f/2.8, or a 17-35mm f/2.8. I like a wide angle zoom for the ability to record different perspectives on a subject by simultaneously changing focal length and shooting distance.


As I mentioned, I did try a 24-35mm for a weekend. Unlike AnotherMike, I had no issues with edge and corner resolution on that copy except wide open at 24mm. Given that Nikon wants $750 for a 24mm f/1.8 and another another $525 for a 35mm f/1.8, I think the Sigma is a good value at $1000 and even more so at $800.

That said, it's big and heavy, has a limited range, doesn't have a mount seal, and doesn't have VR/OS. It's a definitely a niche offering, so it'll be interesting to see how successful it is for Sigma.
 
Take a look at edges/corners at distance on a scene where you had a distant focusing point for what I'm talking about. However, if you do the usual "backyard" test where you focus on a hedge and judge the corners of the grass near you, you'll be impressed as the curvature in this scenario benefits the scene.

The lens has some field curvature and/or astigmatism issues (as one would expect with a fast super wide zoom) so I'm pretty sure it's not sample related. It is more noticeable at 24mm than at 35mm though, for sure. That central zone, however, and the general rendering, is very, very nice.

-m
 
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Take a look at edges/corners at distance on a scene where you had a distant focusing point for what I'm talking about.
Most of my test shots where at f/2, where I found CA but no unacceptable softness. Care to post a sample at a smaller aperture?
 

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