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And who would buy the 80d knowing that the oh so mighty AF-system can't even track a flying bird?
That's not true. It tracks flying bird very well.
Can you point to the evidence for that?

The AF tests in the DPR review don't convince me it would.
since when has DPR ever done good AF testing?

according to them the 7D Mark II or even the 5D Mark III can't AF BIF either.

they focus (pardon the pun) on image tracking .. aka iTR versus how well the camera can lock onto an subject at a particular subject and predict vector motion.

the exact same engine was used in the 1D sports cameras up to the 1DX (first with iTR) and not one damned person suggested that the 1 series was lacking for AF (Mark III problems not included :P )
 
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I suggest you read some of the AF tests on the A6300. It's pretty clear that the A6300 has already passed most dslrs and even solved the black out issue as well.
not really. put a longer lens on that A6300 in lower light and it completely fails to focus.

unlike just about any DSLR.

most of the af tests i've seen done are with moderate focal lengths.

well that's the easiest test for any camera because you don't have as much low light major defocus as you do with a longer lens.
 
Talk for yourself, i have 80D. I also own a fuji x-t1 with the xf100-400mm. It's true that you can get some good shot with any mirrorless camera but they usually take longer to acquire focus. Once they got it, they are good at maintaing it. Evf blackout is the biggest downside to mirrorless camera. In a few years, mirrorless will be superior than any DSLR. We are just not there yet
 
Talk for yourself, i have 80D. I also own a fuji x-t1 with the xf100-400mm. It's true that you can get some good shot with any mirrorless camera but they usually take longer to acquire focus. Once they got it, they are good at maintaing it. Evf blackout is the biggest downside to mirrorless camera. In a few years, mirrorless will be superior than any DSLR. We are just not there yet
 
And who would buy the 80d knowing that the oh so mighty AF-system can't even track a flying bird?
That's not true. It tracks flying bird very well.
Can you point to the evidence for that?

The AF tests in the DPR review don't convince me it would.
since when has DPR ever done good AF testing?

according to them the 7D Mark II or even the 5D Mark III can't AF BIF either.

they focus (pardon the pun) on image tracking .. aka iTR versus how well the camera can lock onto an subject at a particular subject and predict vector motion.

the exact same engine was used in the 1D sports cameras up to the 1DX (first with iTR) and not one damned person suggested that the 1 series was lacking for AF (Mark III problems not included :P )
Well it doesn't work for me with my 70D in this use case, and nothing I have seen so far with the 80D suggests it is any improvement in this area

see http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57678941

Short of buying one, trying it, and then return it, which I don't like to do to retailers, I can only go by what tests I see.
 
Talk for yourself, i have 80D. I also own a fuji x-t1 with the xf100-400mm. It's true that you can get some good shot with any mirrorless camera but they usually take longer to acquire focus. Once they got it, they are good at maintaing it. Evf blackout is the biggest downside to mirrorless camera. In a few years, mirrorless will be superior than any DSLR. We are just not there yet
 
Canon should just follow Nikon and use Sony sensors. I like my 7DII's capabilities but the sensor is simply not up to par. Even though some folks may say 80D is a step towards the right direction. But it is too little and too late. The competitions are moving fast as well.

The only benefit I get from the 7DII sensor is re-learning my sharpening and noise reduction skills. Sorry that I have been harsh. But I'll definitely buy 7DIII if Canon uses the latest sensor from Sony.
 
And who would buy the 80d knowing that the oh so mighty AF-system can't even track a flying bird?
That's not true. It tracks flying bird very well.
Can you point to the evidence for that?

The AF tests in the DPR review don't convince me it would.
since when has DPR ever done good AF testing?

according to them the 7D Mark II or even the 5D Mark III can't AF BIF either.

they focus (pardon the pun) on image tracking .. aka iTR versus how well the camera can lock onto an subject at a particular subject and predict vector motion.

the exact same engine was used in the 1D sports cameras up to the 1DX (first with iTR) and not one damned person suggested that the 1 series was lacking for AF (Mark III problems not included :P )
Well it doesn't work for me with my 70D in this use case, and nothing I have seen so far with the 80D suggests it is any improvement in this area

see http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57678941

Short of buying one, trying it, and then return it, which I don't like to do to retailers, I can only go by what tests I see.
 
Canon should just follow Nikon and use Sony sensors. I like my 7DII's capabilities but the sensor is simply not up to par. Even though some folks may say 80D is a step towards the right direction. But it is too little and too late. The competitions are moving fast as well.

The only benefit I get from the 7DII sensor is re-learning my sharpening and noise reduction skills. Sorry that I have been harsh. But I'll definitely buy 7DIII if Canon uses the latest sensor from Sony.
 
Talk for yourself, i have 80D. I also own a fuji x-t1 with the xf100-400mm. It's true that you can get some good shot with any mirrorless camera but they usually take longer to acquire focus. Once they got it, they are good at maintaing it. Evf blackout is the biggest downside to mirrorless camera. In a few years, mirrorless will be superior than any DSLR. We are just not there yet
 
Don't forget they are journalists and not pros, and they were probably given a free camera from Sony, so most likely a pay-off!
That is rubbish, very disrespectful, and probably slanderous...

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well you can believe what you like but I have worked with Journalists before in the car industry, and I promise that's how it goes.
Are you suggesting journalists get to keep the cars and cameras they test?

I can see manufacturers providing them with thoroughly-sorted examples, but beyond that...
That's more or less exactly what I'm suggesting yes..keep : no, long time loan, gifts, invitations to events and lots of other perks yes. I experienced this myself whilst being a press officer. Sony launched the 6300 in Miami and paid for everything, transport, food, entertainment....so obviously the journalists aren't going to criticize the camera too much.
It's sometimes much more interesting to look at real world reviews, as you can see in this honest video for example :
 
Canon should just follow Nikon and use Sony sensors. I like my 7DII's capabilities but the sensor is simply not up to par. Even though some folks may say 80D is a step towards the right direction. But it is too little and too late. The competitions are moving fast as well.

The only benefit I get from the 7DII sensor is re-learning my sharpening and noise reduction skills. Sorry that I have been harsh. But I'll definitely buy 7DIII if Canon uses the latest sensor from Sony.
 
Canon should just follow Nikon and use Sony sensors. I like my 7DII's capabilities but the sensor is simply not up to par. Even though some folks may say 80D is a step towards the right direction. But it is too little and too late. The competitions are moving fast as well.

The only benefit I get from the 7DII sensor is re-learning my sharpening and noise reduction skills. Sorry that I have been harsh. But I'll definitely buy 7DIII if Canon uses the latest sensor from Sony.
 
Canon should just follow Nikon and use Sony sensors. I like my 7DII's capabilities but the sensor is simply not up to par. Even though some folks may say 80D is a step towards the right direction. But it is too little and too late. The competitions are moving fast as well.

The only benefit I get from the 7DII sensor is re-learning my sharpening and noise reduction skills. Sorry that I have been harsh. But I'll definitely buy 7DIII if Canon uses the latest sensor from Sony.
 
Canon should just follow Nikon and use Sony sensors. I like my 7DII's capabilities but the sensor is simply not up to par. Even though some folks may say 80D is a step towards the right direction. But it is too little and too late. The competitions are moving fast as well.

The only benefit I get from the 7DII sensor is re-learning my sharpening and noise reduction skills. Sorry that I have been harsh. But I'll definitely buy 7DIII if Canon uses the latest sensor from Sony.
 
You may have a good point here. Sony has QC problems with their lenses. One often has to buy several copies to finally get a good one. I am getting an adapter for my Sony A7RII so that I can use my 100-400II on my A7RII. It will be so good. Sony does make a few excellent lenses though, just QC is not up to par.

Canon seems to have problems with the QC of 7DII though. I am on my 3rd 7DII to finally get a reliable camera body.

Maybe Canon and Sony should consolidate their camera units? Together, they can make the best camera and lenses.
 
And who would buy the 80d knowing that the oh so mighty AF-system can't even track a flying bird?
That's not true. It tracks flying bird very well.
Well, that's nice to know. It just did'nt sound like that reading this review (and other reviews). My point was simply this: why make cameras with such incremental upgrades? Why give it 45 AF points but make sure they don't work to well? Why not just give a lot when you're asking these prices? With the A6000 Sony gave you superb AF, high speed shutter, great video, sublime IQ, focus peaking, zebras and on and on - for half the price. And had the most popular apsc camera. No wonder. It's not that complicated 😊
I bet the 80D surpass the A600 AF any days of the week and twice on Sunday. You are also omitting the fact that when you shoot in high speed burst the EVF has blackout.

I'm a big fan of mirrorless camera but I wouldn't consider the A6000 as a super AF.
Well, from what I gather none of us has shot with the 80d, so that's really going nowhere :) I shoot with both the A6000 and the old 7d and to tell you the truth I have just as many misses with the 7d. Only - or rather - biggest difference is lenses where Canon exels. I would however say that people who can't track and get a whole lot of keepers with the A6000 in decent daylight simply don't know how to shoot with it.
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Talk for yourself, i have 80D. I also own a fuji x-t1 with the xf100-400mm. It's true that you can get some good shot with any mirrorless camera but they usually take longer to acquire focus. Once they got it, they are good at maintaing it. Evf blackout is the biggest downside to mirrorless camera. In a few years, mirrorless will be superior than any DSLR. We are just not there yet
I suggest you read some of the AF tests on the A6300. It's pretty clear that the A6300 has already passed most dslrs and even solved the black out issue as well. Wll, the A6000 was/is already very, very fast acquiring focus. And was eating much more expensive dslrs every day of the week. And pretty, pretty impressive tracking moving objects. Only downside was lack of lenses. And like Canon insulting entusiasts with yet another "crippled" dslr Sony also failed big time by not providing good long lenses at the launch of the A6300. What a bummer!

The 80d has a lot going for itself. Swing touch screen, a decent burst rate, nice buffer, improved IQ - there's a lot to like. But in the tests I've seen the purportedly better AF dosn't score better (in fact a little worse) than the predecessor the D70. In my eyes that's down right insulting (to a lot of people). And very stupid.
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Dude. I don't have too. I tried the A6300 on multiple occasion. In real life, the A6300 cannot hold a candle to a DSLR for tracking BIF. The EVF blackout makes it very difficult and it takes longer to obtain focus.You have to reduce your FPS down to a lower burst (3fps) to be able to have less blackout. Once it got focus, it maintains it very well. The 80D have 7 FPS without any blackout.

It doesn't mean the A6300 is not a good camera. Like I mention. I have the same issue with my Fuji X-T1. It's a different method for shooting BIF. You have to do small burst while o n the DSLR I can do burst until I hit the buffer.

Of course my 5D mark III, beats both the 80D, Fuji and Sony. But I also have to carry the big tamron 150-600mm and that gets heavy pretty quick. Hence the reason why I have the Fuji X-T1. There is day where I don't want to carry the tripod and the gimbal head.

Btw, I also tried the A6300 + metabone adapter + Canon 500mm F4. It was so slow to acquire focus by the time it was ready to capture the birds were already gone. Even the nice gentleman who let me try that setup told me, once man, I like that Fuji a lot. It was much quicker, lighter and quieter. I think he will go back to using his canon for BIF and use his A63000 for other purposes.

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"Dude"? Well, while you got lost in your messed up facts I noticed that you at least ended with the sound conclusion I gave you from the beginnning: Sony needs better lenses. And Canon needs to make better cameras (my point!) :)
 
And who would buy the 80d knowing that the oh so mighty AF-system can't even track a flying bird?
That's not true. It tracks flying bird very well.
Can you point to the evidence for that?

The AF tests in the DPR review don't convince me it would.
since when has DPR ever done good AF testing?

according to them the 7D Mark II or even the 5D Mark III can't AF BIF either.

they focus (pardon the pun) on image tracking .. aka iTR versus how well the camera can lock onto an subject at a particular subject and predict vector motion.

the exact same engine was used in the 1D sports cameras up to the 1DX (first with iTR) and not one damned person suggested that the 1 series was lacking for AF (Mark III problems not included :P )
That's hardly a fair interpretation. As far as I recall nobody (for excactly the reasons you mention: same AF system as top level camera) flawed or blaimed the AF system of the 7D Mark II (apart from all the reports from people who have to send one or two copies back becasue of AF-errors)
 
And who would buy the 80d knowing that the oh so mighty AF-system can't even track a flying bird?
That's not true. It tracks flying bird very well.
Can you point to the evidence for that?

The AF tests in the DPR review don't convince me it would.
since when has DPR ever done good AF testing?

according to them the 7D Mark II or even the 5D Mark III can't AF BIF either.

they focus (pardon the pun) on image tracking .. aka iTR versus how well the camera can lock onto an subject at a particular subject and predict vector motion.

the exact same engine was used in the 1D sports cameras up to the 1DX (first with iTR) and not one damned person suggested that the 1 series was lacking for AF (Mark III problems not included :P )
That's hardly a fair interpretation.
something i'd expect from a sony user because you don't have a basis of comparison.

the 80D AF is VERY similar to the 45 point array of the 1D Mark II - N, III and IV days. even going back to the 1V and 3 days.

and no one complained about them being able to do BIF.

according to dpreview, everything MUST use iTR or it's equivalent to do AF now. which is a pretty ridiculous assertion.

Hard to grasp?

and a sony user coming in here touting off canon issues? shall we run though the wobbly mounts, overheating cameras, bricking on updates, lossy raw, crappy non existent service, cameras that can't af with longer focals in moderate light, flash mount issues - hell flashes in general,etc,etc..
 
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