Why the C750 ??

EJN said:

Now let's get this straight ...don't get me wrong...I'm NOT
slamming the 750 - quite the reverse as I've been interested in it
myself except as you all know, it's just not about in UK to give
you chance to see and try it anyway ....but even Oly Forum people
that actually have one have said in many messages that at long zoom
it IS necessary to have a tripod. Now in my view, I don't want a
camera of this nature that requires me to cart a tripod around,
that's not the fun of this type...if I wanted to do that I'd buy a
DSLR...so if the zoom use is limited for that factor ...what
exactly is all the hue and cry about ... most other things I can
get elsewhere ...so please , you owners/users/intended owners...why
choose and uplift the C750 over others that can offer equal quality
of pic and easier to user ??
Am really so unclear on this,whilst queueing down the road for
those "forever promised" supplies in UK !!!!

EJN

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I've also been waiting since the end of June for the C-750 to appear in the UK.
Had one on order from Jessops for over a month. No date for arrival yet.

But, guess what? I happened to stroll into an Argos store, looked in catalogue & found the C-750 newly listed. Not only, but also, there was one in stock!

Full rrp of £449.49. (But with wrong price of £499.95 printed in book). Although the price is still in excess of £50 more than advertised by other suppliers WHEN they do eventually arrive. I thought it worth buying to try out on their 16-day money back g/tee.

No such luck, they have now excluded digital cameras from that, unless faulty. So I didn’t bother to go down that road.

I had a C-740 on trial, which I near enough the same lens wise etc for testing, less 1mpx & other refinements. As the C-750’s cost is hardly much more than the C-740 at an advertised price of around £380 or so, I would think it is worth waiting for, by anyone who’s needs are met by it.

But it is still taking a long time to appear. – “Available in June”; “End of June”; “July”; “End of July”. They haven’t got to “Available Aug.”; “End of …” yet, but probably wont take long!

I also have bought had/have on trial a Dimage7i (3rd actually).

Its functions are easier to use than the menus on the Oly. Viewfinder is good in low light. Quick AF, manual zoom. A more ‘professional’ camera etc. etc.

But it/they have not been without problems, two faulty as new/’ex demo’ models have gone back to the dealer. And it is a bit big & heavy to lug around. And I do like the long optical zoom on the Oly.

Don’t like Oly’s menu selection of functions, but could probably get used to them over a time period, if I had to. It will take photos in the dark just as well if set on manual focus, even if you can’t see a thing in the viewfinder!

Surprisingly, taking like for like test shots, I find them to be much on a par, and I think the Oly stands up well for its self.
But hey! That’s only my opinion.
And I’ve still not made a final decision as yet!

John23

Seems to me that quite a few are missing the point with a 10x zoom.

The point is that it is there when you need it. You don't have to use it all the time.

Like every other setting you can make it is there when you need it and can master it.

C-750 works great at 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and 9x zoom too.
Most other cameras works great only at 1,2 and 3x zoom.

Just that the longer the zoom the more careful you have to be.Steady hands. Short shutterspeeds. Basic stuff since the first telelens was made.

The C-750 isn't the perfect camera but for it's price, what do you expect ?

I guess IF it had come with IS it would have cost a couple of hundred dollars more. And I wouldn't have bought it then.

You might consider waiting to see hear about the A1 Minolta is expected to announce imminently. It's supposed to be 5 megapixel with a 7x image stabilized lens. Due out in October. Expensive though at $1459...........Wendy

EJN said:

Now let's get this straight ...don't get me wrong...I'm NOT
slamming the 750 - quite the reverse as I've been interested in it
myself except as you all know, it's just not about in UK to give
you chance to see and try it anyway ....but even Oly Forum people
that actually have one have said in many messages that at long zoom
it IS necessary to have a tripod. Now in my view, I don't want a
camera of this nature that requires me to cart a tripod around,
that's not the fun of this type...if I wanted to do that I'd buy a
DSLR...so if the zoom use is limited for that factor ...what
exactly is all the hue and cry about ... most other things I can
get elsewhere ...so please , you owners/users/intended owners...why
choose and uplift the C750 over others that can offer equal quality
of pic and easier to user ??
Am really so unclear on this,whilst queueing down the road for
those "forever promised" supplies in UK !!!!

EJN

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Tough call.
Buy a digicam now for $500 or wait 3 months and spend $1400....

I guess another option is to wait a couple of years and buy the long wanted Olympinon Finemedia 1-E with 10mp Super CCDMOS sensor and a 20x GT Image Stabilizer. And it want cost a fortune. But by then you have missed a few thousand shots....

Wendy B said:

You might consider waiting to see hear about the A1 Minolta is
expected to announce imminently. It's supposed to be 5 megapixel
with a 7x image stabilized lens. Due out in October. Expensive
though at $1459...........Wendy

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C-750, CLA-4 and a bunch of filters.

All bad shots are the result of a poorly constructed camera or a faulty camera. !!! That's logical isn't it ?? My camera does the wierdest things ... Sometimes it forgets to switch from Macro .. sometimes it forgets to alter the F stop for me ... sometimes it forgets to turn on/off the flash .. sometimes it shakes in my hand when I press the button (without warning me) .. sometimes it forgets to tell me I haven't engaged bracket mode .. grrrrrrrr Would ya believe it ??? I think I bought a dud.

10% of fishermen catch 90% of the fish ??? Absolutely !!
10% of photographers take 90% of all good photos ?? Absolutely !!

jack
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Wendy B said:

EJN said:

Now let's get this straight ...don't get me wrong...I'm NOT
slamming the 750 - quite the reverse as I've been interested in it
myself except as you all know, it's just not about in UK to give
you chance to see and try it anyway ....but even Oly Forum people
that actually have one have said in many messages that at long zoom
it IS necessary to have a tripod. Now in my view, I don't want a
camera of this nature that requires me to cart a tripod around,
that's not the fun of this type...if I wanted to do that I'd buy a
DSLR...so if the zoom use is limited for that factor ...what
exactly is all the hue and cry about ... most other things I can
get elsewhere ...so please , you owners/users/intended owners...why
choose and uplift the C750 over others that can offer equal quality
of pic and easier to user ??
Am really so unclear on this,whilst queueing down the road for
those "forever promised" supplies in UK !!!!

EJN

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Why wait for this “A1”?
The Dimage 7i is already 5mpx with 7x optical zoom.
The C-750 & C-740 both have a 10x optical zoom.

I haven’t had camera shake at full zoom from the 7i or the C-740 yet.

IF used properly with enough light / ISO for a reasonable shutter speed if not on a tripod & being hand held.

But then I didn’t/don’t get that problem with my Nikon SLR & 300mm lens.
Again, if used & held correctly, & that doesn’t have an image stabiliser!

John23

Donald Spencer said:

taking pictures with a digital camera is no differnet in most
respects than taking pictures with a normal camera. as long as you
shoot with a high enough shutter speed, you won't need a tripod.
I've taken plenty of pictures at full zoom, without problems.

EJN wrote:

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...so please , you owners/users/intended owners...why

Don Spencer said:

Don Spencer said:

choose and uplift the C750 over others that can offer equal quality
of pic and easier to user ??

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because of the above EJN, that the "physics" of taking pictures do not change whether you are doing it digitally or with film or even with a dslr. at that zoom, depending on how steady your hands are, you may or may not need a tripod, and the only way is to try it out, which unfortunately as you say, stores in the UK don't particularly like (and i sympathize with you for that).

so why choose & uplift the 750 over others? because to go dslr or some other cameras, you'd be paying a great price in bulk. look around for a equivalent slr lens, or addon telephoto lens to the 5050, or whatever, and in these cases, you'd be almost guaranteed to not only have to lug around a tripod but a huge great hunking lens. the 750 offers many of the features of the 5050, albeit not all of them, and doesn't have the button-dial system of the 5050, but it has many of the features neverhteless, with the added flexibility of the long zoom.

to be sure, there are always tradeoffs between anything, and it's really up to the individual needs of the user to decide if these are worth it.

Somy

EJN said:

... One fine day in the next week or two they will
actually arrive here in quantity. One big chain store already has
them (although most dealers don't!) but believe it or not they're
pricing it at the equivalent of around $600 !!!!! ...

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Which chain store are you refering to?? If it's Argos, it's £449 (> $700), not $600. For a few other retailers who have it, you might get lucky and pay £400 for it, still it's > $600. In US, it's $490 - $550, and IN STOCK!!

So, talking about squeezing supply to prop up the prices in a market with the fattest profit margin .....

xmuk

I agree with Jim. Anyone who has spent some years shooting film with an SLR knows that to get a decent shot at 380mm you need to have a speed of 1/380 sec. It just isn't possible (most of the time) to get a pin sharp focus at full telephoto handheld; this is why you will see so many poor shots taken with the 28-200 and 28-300 SLR lenses that were the fad for a while. (I bought a Sigma 28-200mm for my Minolta 800si for a holiday, and it was a total waste of money! 2 weeks in Bali and we threw most of the photos away.)

Coming back to the poster's question, a few months ago while I was still checking out cameras, I had the opportunity to use the C-730 and the SM card from my 2100 in a photo shop. I took about 10 shots at full zoom with flash with the 730 (I know you are talking about the 750!), which I thought would be the most taxing for the camera, and then slipped the SM back into my 2100 and took the exact same shots. Back at home on the computer it became very clear that all the 730 shots suffered from camera shake, whereas most of the 2100 shots didn't (that's the IS for you), and also that the 730 was unable to focus in situations where the 2100 could (that's the focus assist lamp). That was enough to steer me away from the 7xx series; it was some months later before I started playing with the 5050 (which focuses fine in very low light situations, albeit quite slowly). And I still get to use my SM cards, batteries, chargers etc. The only extra thing I bought was a x40 CF card.

As they say, just my 2 cents worth.

Andrew

jim modesto said:

Guys basic photographic principles and techniques still apply, I
dont care if you have a $10,000 DSLR with a $7000 400mm lense on it
, you cannot hand hold it at full magnification and low shutter
speeds.You might get lucky every once in a while,

That is why the 2100uzi is so great, and this is why IS lenses for
DSLR's and SLR's are so expensive. You want great results all the
time use a tripod.

Try looking thru some powerful binoculars , telescope or spotting
scope some time and see how the slightest jiggle makes the images
hard to focus on.

Stop blaming the equipment and learn some basic techniques first!

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