I have AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED and I need TC 2x with Autofocus.

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Hi, I've been searching around and could not find anything.

is it possible to attach a TC 2x on AF-S VR Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED without losing AF?

my understanding that TC 2x won't work with the lens's auto focus, right?

I need working distance to be able to shot insects before I scare them away, mostly will be shooting around f20 with a flash, so the light won't be a problem, the only problem is Auto Focus, is there a solution for this?

help me out please, thanks ;)
 
I have Nikon D750, is the Sigma 180mm f/3.5 as sharp as the 105mm 2.8 with x2 TC? I mean in term of IQ.
Your D750 does support autofocus at f/8 using 11 of the AF sensors.
At f/20, I'm not sure you'd see a difference, since you'd be diffraction limited on a D750. At larger stops, I'd expect the Sigma to win, but since I've never tried the 105mm on a 2x TC, I can't be sure. Here's a shot I did a while back at f/10 with the Sigma.

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I did not understand what u mean by "since you'd be diffraction limited on a D750" I tried to google that and I got confused more :P.

look at this image:


he shot it at f/40 using 105mm (not sure if it's Nikon or Sigma, but he did say he used nikon in comments) and sigma TC x2
 
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the thing is, I'm having a hard time getting a good manual focus, maybe it's my eyes? but I can't get a sharp image when I'm using manual focus on a still object using just a view finder.
I use Live View for this reason. I've never been able to focus well through the viewfinder, not well enough for a 36 mp camera, anyway. My macro shots don't include moving targets, though, so I can get away with this.
live view is not an option in a sunny day. I'll try and get used to the viewfinder and see how it goes, thanks
The problem with manual focus, though it's mostly used on macro, is twofold. One, modern cameras have fine focusing screens which make identifying proper focus pretty hard to do. In the old days, the focusing screen was more granular and we had aids like split image centers and coarse collars to help.

Secondly, those same issues with a darker viewfinder in macro and with a converter also apply to your eyes. It's harder to identify focus and the helper focus attained lights are more confused in a dimmer situation.

What I do if the bug isn't particularly moving or other small still life subjects is to focus the lens at the closest, then move the entire lens/camera et al in and out until focus is achieved. I and many others use a tripod and focusing rail to make this somewhat easy. Instead of moving the whole thing, you get close, then adjust focus by turning the geared knob on the macro focusing rail. I use a double geared rail for side to side positioning as well as focus in and out. I think focusing rails are both inexpensive and indispensable.

For longer distance biting creatures on the wing. I use high frame rates and a 300mm non-macro lens. I'll crop to size in post if possible.

Below is my Phottix double geared focus rails with Manfrotto RC2 quick release added. There's also a pair of Nikon's SB200 wireless macro strobes from the RC1 kit on the end of the lens. That's my favorite macro lens in my kit. It gives me more working distance yet still f/2.8 speed if I want it. That's a Sigma 150 f/2.8 APO Macro lens. I don't believe there's a better macro lens by anyone anywhere. I often use this for out of studio product photography. In studio, I use studio strobes and a macro light table as well as the focus rails.

Another trick you probably should learn for still macro is focus stacking. I won't get into it, but you can Google it if you want. It takes care of the depth of field issues you experience with macro. It won't work on moving critters. Critters who move might get a little sandwich bag and freezer time. ;-)





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the thing is, I'm having a hard time getting a good manual focus, maybe it's my eyes? but I can't get a sharp image when I'm using manual focus on a still object using just a view finder.
I use Live View for this reason. I've never been able to focus well through the viewfinder, not well enough for a 36 mp camera, anyway. My macro shots don't include moving targets, though, so I can get away with this.
live view is not an option in a sunny day. I'll try and get used to the viewfinder and see how it goes, thanks
The problem with manual focus, though it's mostly used on macro, is twofold. One, modern cameras have fine focusing screens which make identifying proper focus pretty hard to do. In the old days, the focusing screen was more granular and we had aids like split image centers and coarse collars to help.

Secondly, those same issues with a darker viewfinder in macro and with a converter also apply to your eyes. It's harder to identify focus and the helper focus attained lights are more confused in a dimmer situation.

What I do if the bug isn't particularly moving or other small still life subjects is to focus the lens at the closest, then move the entire lens/camera et al in and out until focus is achieved. I and many others use a tripod and focusing rail to make this somewhat easy. Instead of moving the whole thing, you get close, then adjust focus by turning the geared knob on the macro focusing rail. I use a double geared rail for side to side positioning as well as focus in and out. I think focusing rails are both inexpensive and indispensable.

For longer distance biting creatures on the wing. I use high frame rates and a 300mm non-macro lens. I'll crop to size in post if possible.

Below is my Phottix double geared focus rails with Manfrotto RC2 quick release added. There's also a pair of Nikon's SB200 wireless macro strobes from the RC1 kit on the end of the lens. That's my favorite macro lens in my kit. It gives me more working distance yet still f/2.8 speed if I want it. That's a Sigma 150 f/2.8 APO Macro lens. I don't believe there's a better macro lens by anyone anywhere. I often use this for out of studio product photography. In studio, I use studio strobes and a macro light table as well as the focus rails.

Another trick you probably should learn for still macro is focus stacking. I won't get into it, but you can Google it if you want. It takes care of the depth of field issues you experience with macro. It won't work on moving critters. Critters who move might get a little sandwich bag and freezer time. ;-)



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Nice, I liked the tripod and focusing rail idea, will make it easy, also the SB-200 will solve the close up images, and the freezing sandwich bag xD



Thanks
 
the thing is, I'm having a hard time getting a good manual focus, maybe it's my eyes? but I can't get a sharp image when I'm using manual focus on a still object using just a view finder.
I use Live View for this reason. I've never been able to focus well through the viewfinder, not well enough for a 36 mp camera, anyway. My macro shots don't include moving targets, though, so I can get away with this.
live view is not an option in a sunny day. I'll try and get used to the viewfinder and see how it goes, thanks
Try buying an LCD loupe - even the cheap ones are not too bad (£10-£15).
There is always an issue with moving things, and the shutter lag in Liveview doesn't help here. Hand-held is possible but needs really steady hands in macro, again mainly because of the lag, and the danger of moving just a millimetre or two while shooting - enough to lose focus.

Like any specialism, don't expect great results in your first few hundred attempts!

I imagine 2x105mm (at 2:1) will be much more difficult to shoot hand-held than 105mm at 1:1, for a whole range of reasons.
 
Another option to achieve more magnification is move to a crop sensored body with the 105mm macro lens. D3300 or D5300 gives you more pixels on the target than the D750. That is slightly over 2x and will give you full use of the AF.

Just for the heck of it, I tried a Kenko 2x on the 105mm mated to a D5500 and had fair results with AF. Nothing I would consider a go with it solution. Then I mated a Sigma 1.4 to the 105mm and AF worked very well. Still, I will use manual focus and lean.

Another option are these nice optics.

 
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Another option to achieve more magnification is move to a crop sensored body with the 105mm macro lens. D3300 or D5300 gives you more pixels on the target than the D750. That is slightly over 2x and will give you full use of the AF.

Just for the heck of it, I tried a Kenko 2x on the 105mm mated to a D5500 and had fair results with AF. Nothing I would consider a go with it solution. Then I mated a Sigma 1.4 to the 105mm and AF worked very well. Still, I will use manual focus and lean.

Another option are these nice optics.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/914405-REG/raynox_ray_cm_2000_cm_2000_1_5x_and_2_5x.html

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Enjoy the good light while ya can............
Thanks, so u think that Nikon AF-S Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED VR will work with Sigma TX x2 ? or the Sigma TC works only with Sigma Lens?

this is a test shot with Nikon AF-S Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED VR , no TC or anything, just shooting and testing.





 ISO-400 | f/40 | 1/4 sec | 105mm | Flash On fired

ISO-400 | f/40 | 1/4 sec | 105mm | Flash On fired



I'm not really happy with the result, I mean I wanted to see those small dots in it's eyes. and I really had a very hard time achieving focus, and still failed. the TC x2 will give me more magnification so I'll be able to look more closely into it's eyes to see if I'm out of focus or not (using a tripod)
 
Another option to achieve more magnification is move to a crop sensored body with the 105mm macro lens. D3300 or D5300 gives you more pixels on the target than the D750. That is slightly over 2x and will give you full use of the AF.

Just for the heck of it, I tried a Kenko 2x on the 105mm mated to a D5500 and had fair results with AF. Nothing I would consider a go with it solution. Then I mated a Sigma 1.4 to the 105mm and AF worked very well. Still, I will use manual focus and lean.

Another option are these nice optics.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/914405-REG/raynox_ray_cm_2000_cm_2000_1_5x_and_2_5x.html
 
That is a good image of the fly.

I would not expect good results in AF with any 2x converter mated to any 105mm macro lens. Truly, manual focus with the leaning is used by many macro shooters.

D750 in full, or DX mode, is less pixels on target than a DX body. Same reason folks prefer DX bodies for wildlife.

The D7100 would work very well with just the 105mm macro lens, equal to the D750 using the 2x converter but keeps the AF usable. I have an FX body and prefer to use DX body (D5500) for macro.

It takes much practice, a large amount of patience, steady hand, and a relaxed state of mind. If you happen to be a hunter, the same breathing techniques apply for squeezing the trigger or shutter button. Going slow will keep insects from lighting out.

Try ISO 100 or 200, f16 or 22, shutter 1/200 with flash. The flash acts as a faster shutter speed than the 1/200. The down side of flash is the reflections showing in the eyes. It takes a good deal if diffusion. If using any additional lenses or converters, your depth of focus will become much thinner.

Have you read through some of the threads in the macro section?

 
Another option to achieve more magnification is move to a crop sensored body with the 105mm macro lens. D3300 or D5300 gives you more pixels on the target than the D750. That is slightly over 2x and will give you full use of the AF.

Just for the heck of it, I tried a Kenko 2x on the 105mm mated to a D5500 and had fair results with AF. Nothing I would consider a go with it solution. Then I mated a Sigma 1.4 to the 105mm and AF worked very well. Still, I will use manual focus and lean.

Another option are these nice optics.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/914405-REG/raynox_ray_cm_2000_cm_2000_1_5x_and_2_5x.html

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Enjoy the good light while ya can............
Thanks, so u think that Nikon AF-S Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED VR will work with Sigma TX x2 ? or the Sigma TC works only with Sigma Lens?

this is a test shot with Nikon AF-S Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G IF-ED VR , no TC or anything, just shooting and testing.

ISO-400 | f/40 | 1/4 sec | 105mm | Flash On fired

ISO-400 | f/40 | 1/4 sec | 105mm | Flash On fired

I'm not really happy with the result, I mean I wanted to see those small dots in it's eyes. and I really had a very hard time achieving focus, and still failed. the TC x2 will give me more magnification so I'll be able to look more closely into it's eyes to see if I'm out of focus or not (using a tripod)
That fly shot is not a fail.

Bob W.
 
I did not understand what u mean by "since you'd be diffraction limited on a D750" I tried to google that and I got confused more :P.
Diffraction is a "hard" limit on the resolution of an optical system. Light disperses whenever it passes through an opening, and no matter how good your lens or sensor, you can't achieve a high amount of "real" resolution than that the diffraction limit. Here's a article where you can start:


One way to measure so-called "IQ" of an optical system is a statistic called Modulation Transfer Function, or MTF. It can be thought of as the percentage of subject contrast recorded in an image. So, for example, let's say you want to retain 50% of the subject contrast (MTF=50%). A good estimate of diffraction at that MTF is:

Pixels/mm = 0.76/(Fω), where F is the F stop and ω is the wavelength of light in mm.

So, for "average" visible light, that works out to 69 pixels/mm. So while your D750 is capable of recording roughly 6000x4000 pixels, at f/20 the maximum real resolution is around 2487x1658, no matter how good the lens.
 
Another option to achieve more magnification is move to a crop sensored body with the 105mm macro lens. D3300 or D5300 gives you more pixels on the target than the D750. That is slightly over 2x and will give you full use of the AF.

Just for the heck of it, I tried a Kenko 2x on the 105mm mated to a D5500 and had fair results with AF. Nothing I would consider a go with it solution. Then I mated a Sigma 1.4 to the 105mm and AF worked very well. Still, I will use manual focus and lean.

Another option are these nice optics.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/914405-REG/raynox_ray_cm_2000_cm_2000_1_5x_and_2_5x.html
 
Yes, it can be tough to get the eyes resolved. This image is handheld, as are all that I capture.



Deer fly having a snack

Deer fly having a snack





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Enjoy the good light while ya can............
 
I have not been able to use Nikon teleconverters todate on Sigma lenses and Sigma teleconverters will not work on my Nikon telephoto lenses.

Autofocus depends on the camera and a D7200 will work better than my D810 and D500 should be better than both - time will tell.

For macro a focusing rail makes it much easier to manually focus on a small subject and to do focus stacking as well.
 
Teleconverters contain no AF machinery,
Just to be ornery... My Nikon TC-16A allows (limited) autofocus with manual focus lenses.
 
That is a good image of the fly.

I would not expect good results in AF with any 2x converter mated to any 105mm macro lens. Truly, manual focus with the leaning is used by many macro shooters.

D750 in full, or DX mode, is less pixels on target than a DX body. Same reason folks prefer DX bodies for wildlife.

The D7100 would work very well with just the 105mm macro lens, equal to the D750 using the 2x converter but keeps the AF usable. I have an FX body and prefer to use DX body (D5500) for macro.

It takes much practice, a large amount of patience, steady hand, and a relaxed state of mind. If you happen to be a hunter, the same breathing techniques apply for squeezing the trigger or shutter button. Going slow will keep insects from lighting out.

Try ISO 100 or 200, f16 or 22, shutter 1/200 with flash. The flash acts as a faster shutter speed than the 1/200. The down side of flash is the reflections showing in the eyes. It takes a good deal if diffusion. If using any additional lenses or converters, your depth of focus will become much thinner.

Have you read through some of the threads in the macro section?

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1054..._source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu
 
I did not understand what u mean by "since you'd be diffraction limited on a D750" I tried to google that and I got confused more :P.
Diffraction is a "hard" limit on the resolution of an optical system. Light disperses whenever it passes through an opening, and no matter how good your lens or sensor, you can't achieve a high amount of "real" resolution than that the diffraction limit. Here's a article where you can start:

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm

One way to measure so-called "IQ" of an optical system is a statistic called Modulation Transfer Function, or MTF. It can be thought of as the percentage of subject contrast recorded in an image. So, for example, let's say you want to retain 50% of the subject contrast (MTF=50%). A good estimate of diffraction at that MTF is:

Pixels/mm = 0.76/(Fω), where F is the F stop and ω is the wavelength of light in mm.

So, for "average" visible light, that works out to 69 pixels/mm. So while your D750 is capable of recording roughly 6000x4000 pixels, at f/20 the maximum real resolution is around 2487x1658, no matter how good the lens.
 
Another option to achieve more magnification is move to a crop sensored body with the 105mm macro lens. D3300 or D5300 gives you more pixels on the target than the D750. That is slightly over 2x and will give you full use of the AF.

Just for the heck of it, I tried a Kenko 2x on the 105mm mated to a D5500 and had fair results with AF. Nothing I would consider a go with it solution. Then I mated a Sigma 1.4 to the 105mm and AF worked very well. Still, I will use manual focus and lean.

Another option are these nice optics.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/914405-REG/raynox_ray_cm_2000_cm_2000_1_5x_and_2_5x.html
 
Yes, it can be tough to get the eyes resolved. This image is handheld, as are all that I capture.

Deer fly having a snack

Deer fly having a snack

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Enjoy the good light while ya can............
That is just wow, does my fly have those tiny little dots like this one? and how can some1 achieve that focus? I can't see it with my own eyes, even tho I have a good eye sight! something is not right really...
 

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