GX8 and Pen F just got some real competition Sony A6300!

For example, the new Sony GE 28-70/2.8 looks like a terrific lens, but at nearly 3 times the weight and price of my sweet little Oly 12-40/2.8. And I can take along a couple of fast primes to handle the low light situations.
I'm not a fan of Sony's E-mount ecosystem either, but I really despise seeing this comparison that a lot of MFT fans make. The new sony 24-70 is designed for a full frame sensor and it will be correspondingly bigger. A full frame camera gets more light and depth-of-field, and I'm sure you know this. It's all about tradeoffs and though I'm sure you're at peace with the tradeoff you made, the weight/size/price comparison is a poor one.
Those are all fair points. Perhaps I should have been clearer that I was not making an apples-to-apples comparison. The benefits of going with an A7 series camera would be the full frame format, and to fully realize the benefits would impose high costs in terms of money, weight, and bulk.

Downsizing to the A6300 and the FE 24-70/4 would make good sense. But in that case mft offers more versatility and options.

So yes, I'm very happy with extending my investment in Oly gear.
 
I like the Sony. It's smaller than an E-M10 with built-in flash and hotshoe. I've tried the a6000 and like the ergonomics. They have the lenses I want and I've been looking at the Samyang 12/2 for a while, which is wider (better for me) on APS. For telephoto, Sony A, Canon or Nikon will do. Charging and operation via USB is a huge deal for me.
 
AFAIK this is the first mirrorless camera to offer PDAF across the whole frame. IMO that's a big step forward. Lack and poor quality of lenses and other shortcomings mean I'd never buy the a6300, but if its existence encourages Olympus to offer this feature on the E-M1 mk2, the chances are I'll invest.
On-sensor PDAF is great, but it's not enough for it to be there. Olympus would also have to use it properly. Which they have problems doing. For example, use PD to prevent focus-breathing during videos. And use PD pixels for exposure as well if possible, like Canon does.
Well, Oly produce, as they underline again and again, still cameras with the video features just coming as an extra. And when it comes to making use of the on-sensor PDAF for the camera's C-AF, the E-M1 outclasses them all in CSC land - apart from some of the Nikon 1 cameras, that is.
And really, I don't care at all what the appaling Canon m does.
 
There's nothing particularly wrong with my existing PEN. I think of the PEN F as a non-starter and the Sony's are tempting with the improved AF and better low light performance. But as others mentioned the lenses are a bit weak in E mount land and I personally really like Oly's colors and IBIS.

There's no "must have" improvements right now in camera land for me so I can avoid G.A.S.
The A6000 was supposed to be the mirrorless camera that put the nail in the DLSR's camera, too. It's quite good, but I'll take my 4-year old D7000 if I have to track moving subjects or shoot in low light.
Was it? Say no more. If there already is a CSC at all that has got what it takes to do so it's the E-M1 or the GH4. All the others, even the A7s, have far too may shortcomings.
 
For example, the new Sony GE 28-70/2.8 looks like a terrific lens, but at nearly 3 times the weight and price of my sweet little Oly 12-40/2.8. And I can take along a couple of fast primes to handle the low light situations.
I'm not a fan of Sony's E-mount ecosystem either, but I really despise seeing this comparison that a lot of MFT fans make. The new sony 24-70 is designed for a full frame sensor and it will be correspondingly bigger. A full frame camera gets more light and depth-of-field, and I'm sure you know this. It's all about tradeoffs and though I'm sure you're at peace with the tradeoff you made, the weight/size/price comparison is a poor one.
Yeah right... That's why you should buy FF lenses for an APS-C camera. Great deal.
 
AFAIK this is the first mirrorless camera to offer PDAF across the whole frame. IMO that's a big step forward. Lack and poor quality of lenses and other shortcomings mean I'd never buy the a6300, but if its existence encourages Olympus to offer this feature on the E-M1 mk2, the chances are I'll invest.
On-sensor PDAF is great, but it's not enough for it to be there. Olympus would also have to use it properly. Which they have problems doing. For example, use PD to prevent focus-breathing during videos. And use PD pixels for exposure as well if possible, like Canon does.
Well, Oly produce, as they underline again and again, still cameras with the video features just coming as an extra. And when it comes to making use of the on-sensor PDAF for the camera's C-AF, the E-M1 outclasses them all in CSC land - apart from some of the Nikon 1 cameras, that is.
I rather doubt that. Do you have any facts to back that up?
And really, I don't care at all what the appaling Canon m does.

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I like the Sony. It's smaller than an E-M10 with built-in flash and hotshoe. I've tried the a6000 and like the ergonomics. They have the lenses I want and I've been looking at the Samyang 12/2 for a while, which is wider (better for me) on APS. For telephoto, Sony A, Canon or Nikon will do. Charging and operation via USB is a huge deal for me.
 
I wonder who is qualified to answer. Maybe not even me.

I'm currently in Canada on a birding trip, no Lumix or Sony is here. It's big Canons but I did bring my OMD m10ii, why? It fits in the same case as the big EOS body and big white lens. Will that change? Maybe. I'm taking my GX8 + Leica 100-400g IF it really shows up ;)

Will I add the A6300? Probably. It will be a nice continuum sitting by my NEX-5,6, A6000, and A7Rii (sold my NEX-7).

What I'll hate if I do add the 63?

No touch. No swivel. No sealing.

Another issue reminds of why I added mFT in the first place. Sony still offers NO lens with native e-mount >300mm. Of course for my wants/desires it needs to be 400mm.

So why even consider the 63? I've used the 70-400gii on my A7Rii and it WILL track BIF. The screen/EVF refresh rate has a lot to be desired as does the FPS. I have an a77ii and use it with the Tamron 150-600=BIF MACHINE if you have great (GREAT) light/or live in Arizona or Florida.

It appears the 63 has the AF and beyond of the a77ii and that the EVF refresh rate problem has been super resolved.

So I'll jump once someone has put a 70-400gii on it via LAEA-3. Then I'll know if the ultimate birders kit exist.

This is me assuming the DR and ISO performance have also greatly improved.

Just know that if Sony had ever offered the 400mm native e-mount I wouldn't own 17 (and soon t be 19) mFT lenses. Which is to say wake up Sony.
The best guy to answer your question might be Danny. He shoots birds with a Canon 500 on a NEX-7.

Anyway, there are some things the NEX cameras do better (I still call them that) and somethings the M43 variants.
 
Sony tries real hard to differentiate the two lines by not putting BSI senor, IBIS, touch screen, weather sealing in A6300. At the same time A6300 comes w superior AF tracking capability, but no way to directly select an AF pt (no joy stick either).

The management must had a hard time deciding which goes where. The end product does not appear as an integral package.
Like Canon and Nikon, Sony has adopted the business model of hobilling low end produces to create an upgrade path for consumers.

I feel sorry for Sony ASP-c users. Inadequate lens range and hobilled bodies. It is the result of a ruthless marketing department.

Oh, one other thing. When will Sony employ some industrial designers to overcome the black brick look of Sony gear?
 
Sadly, Sony's APSC MILC cameras have always seemed to be only half the mule team. Good feature sets that lack important features (such as no IBIS on the a6300 despite the growing number of adapters) and an apparent lack of commitments to quality optics. The NEX line from the start just seemed to be a testbed for something else.

But wait! You can use the greatooking new G lenses on it. Except they are designed for FF. So if you can live with the crop factor, well and done. It's long been obvious, though, that the FE series is where Sony is putting forth the most effort in both R&D and marketing.

I expect to see the AF system in the a6300 refined and added to the A7 bodies within a year.
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Sony tries real hard to differentiate the two lines by not putting BSI senor, IBIS, touch screen, weather sealing in A6300. At the same time A6300 comes w superior AF tracking capability, but no way to directly select an AF pt (no joy stick either).

The management must had a hard time deciding which goes where. The end product does not appear as an integral package.
Like Canon and Nikon, Sony has adopted the business model of hobilling low end produces to create an upgrade path for consumers.
Sounds fairly normal to me. A bit like making an E-M10 and offering an E-M1 at the same time. Strange when companies do that huh.
I feel sorry for Sony ASP-c users. Inadequate lens range and hobilled bodies. It is the result of a ruthless marketing department.
Don't feel too sorry for us for having ..... hobilled bodies, the 4 year old NEX-7 does just fine for what I want

https://www.flickr.com/photos/124733969@N06/sets/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/130646821@N03/

But thanks for taking the time to care anyway.
Oh, one other thing. When will Sony employ some industrial designers to overcome the black brick look of Sony gear?
Yes a bit like our E-M10's that are trying to look like something from the 70's and 80's with the copied industrial look to them. If I could only have one format and camera, it would be the Sony black brick over the E-M10 ;-) I'm just glad that you don't design cameras.

All the best.

Danny.
 
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That being, that you can still be an 'enthusiast' and on a budget.

And for me, all of the aforementioned cameras fall short and are a bit disappointing in that they either aren't the most efficient photographic tools, attempt to be video camera hybrids, or just try to please too many people.

In doing so of course, they (in the early stages, anyway) seem to disappoint more potential customers than they make happy.

Pen-F. That front dial, and ridiculous on/off switch. No weather sealing.

A6300. No IBIS, no weather sealing, no touch screen, not enough external controls.

GX8. Wayyyyy too big, too expensive. Trying to be video/stills hybrid.
Well nobody's perfect (LOL).
I guess I should mention that I'm of this (apparently) shrinking 'niche' that just wants a camera. To take photos. I don't want to delve into the menus between shots if I don't have to. I want solid clicky aluminum wheels to change settings. I don't care about video.

Too much to ask?
Move to Fuji. They don't bother with video and are all about dials.
 
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