Finepix s7000 = G5 killer?

I am a G2 lover and have found nothing worth upgrading (canon or not) so far.... still the s7000 looks like an alternative

I thought I post my thoughts about that ...
CHIA
because he can speak his mind! this forum is not only for
Canon-eulogists
I know you're delighted with your G3, I'm quite satisfied with my
A70, but let's let the people speak (untill their opinions are
offensive - Matt's was not, for sure)
(sorry for my English)
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... i dont see a reason to be offended becaue none of us here has designed a G model and is also not manufacturing it.

We are here to find the best camera for us and pick the bad ones apart
CHIA
I have a G2 and of course am thinking about upgrading all the time
to get a better camera ....

G3 and G5 were quickly ruled out. Now i see the s7000 release and
it looks like the price is very similar to the G5 but the s7000
seems to be a lot better, also doent seem to be too much bigger...

The s7000 as a better alternative? opinons?

Matt
 
not the main seeling point for me. Still i happily take the fuji video mode over canon's ...

after all 640x480, 30 fps is getting close to camcorder performance ?
I have a G2 and of course am thinking about upgrading all the time
to get a better camera ....

G3 and G5 were quickly ruled out. Now i see the s7000 release and
it looks like the price is very similar to the G5 but the s7000
seems to be a lot better, also doent seem to be too much bigger...

The s7000 as a better alternative? opinons?
looks good on the paper - let's wait for a review :-)

a strong point of the Fuji's cameras is the video mode in which you
can record 640x480 30 fps with no time limit (apart from the memory
card capacity) - this area seems to be neglected by Canon :-( but
perhaps Fuji's digi cams market success will make them change their
mind...

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The differences from G2 to G3/5 (for me) arent big enough to justify the cost. I also dont like the silver G3 and have G2 accesories that i dont want to repurchase ....

For me to upgrade it needs more differences
I have a G2 and of course am thinking about upgrading all the time
to get a better camera ....

G3 and G5 were quickly ruled out. Now i see the s7000 release and
it looks like the price is very similar to the G5 but the s7000
seems to be a lot better, also doent seem to be too much bigger...

The s7000 as a better alternative? opinons?

Matt
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I don't see any info on the s7000, but I'm just curious, why were
the g3 and g5 "quickly ruled out"? I had a G2, and I now have a G3
I'm very happy with. The only competition for my purposes was the
717.

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I have a G2 and of course am thinking about upgrading all the time
to get a better camera ....

G3 and G5 were quickly ruled out. Now i see the s7000 release and
it looks like the price is very similar to the G5 but the s7000
seems to be a lot better, also doent seem to be too much bigger...

The s7000 as a better alternative? opinons?
Be very careful. It's easy to salivate about new cameras when you
read company press releases and previews. You'll never hear about
any bad things about a new camera until it actually comes out. The
S7000 is due out in October - who knows what canon will have by
then?

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in the G3/G5 .... maybe a G6 would be an alternative....

I have no brand preference I buy what I like...
What specifically do you dislike about the G3/G5?

I tend to develop brand preferences but only when a company consistently develops products with designs and priorities that match my needs and preferences.

Canon cameras so far tend to reflect a correct emphasis on the things I think matter the most. That doesn't mean I'll accept an inferior Canon or that I will refuse to switch brands, but Canon has earned my respect and admiration and they'll have it soi long as they continue to earn it. Of course, that's not to say I don't have my share of complaints with their cameras as well as with others...

On the other hand, Nikon is an example of the total opposite - a company that seems to place emphasis on all the wrong things while neglecting the things I consider to be most important.
 
Hey Matt post what you want nobody is boss on this forum but Phil. Having seen the new Fuji I am staggered how good it looks.The spec looks awesome and if it takes photos as good as it looks I will bag one definately. I bet though this will get the new Sony 8mp cam moving along too so maybe we need to hold on. In he meantime I will still enjoy my S50 take anywhere camera as it doesn't become a bad camera just because a new cam comes out.
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Steve
I thought I post my thoughts about that ...
CHIA
because he can speak his mind! this forum is not only for
Canon-eulogists
I know you're delighted with your G3, I'm quite satisfied with my
A70, but let's let the people speak (untill their opinions are
offensive - Matt's was not, for sure)
(sorry for my English)
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rafal_pie
 
in the G3/G5 .... maybe a G6 would be an alternative....

I have no brand preference I buy what I like...
What specifically do you dislike about the G3/G5?
I dont dislike anything! For me the cost difference is just not worth the gain. If I didnt have a G2 I would pick up a G3 or G5 (or the s7000 ;).
I tend to develop brand preferences but only when a company
consistently develops products with designs and priorities that
match my needs and preferences.
Me too, but if they dont make priducts that meet my needs then I am switching brands. When it comes to purchasing stuff from my hard earned cash then i am only loyal to myself.... Canon and others can support themselfes.
Canon cameras so far tend to reflect a correct emphasis on the
things I think matter the most. That doesn't mean I'll accept an
inferior Canon or that I will refuse to switch brands, but Canon
has earned my respect and admiration and they'll have it soi long
as they continue to earn it. Of course, that's not to say I don't
have my share of complaints with their cameras as well as with
others...
I agree .. and after all there is a good reason why I have a G2 ... I have lots of Minolta SLR gear (bodies and lenses) but I didnt like their digicams (had one for a short short time) and switched to Canon.
On the other hand, Nikon is an example of the total opposite - a
company that seems to place emphasis on all the wrong things while
neglecting the things I consider to be most important.
I just say: We have a Nikon Coolpix at work and I REFUSE to use it ... I dont want to offend anybody but its just garbage. Its not so much picture quality but the user interface is a joke.

I was able to almost fully use the G2 without reading the instructions but the Nikon is a bear....
 
Nope. The best way to learn about a camera's faults is try the camera out for yourself. Critics may exaggerate the faults, just as the fans may gloss over them.
CHIA
because he can speak his mind! this forum is not only for
Canon-eulogists
I know you're delighted with your G3, I'm quite satisfied with my
A70, but let's let the people speak (untill their opinions are
offensive - Matt's was not, for sure)
(sorry for my English)
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and what would you say about Olympus C-750 Ultra Zoom as an alternative for G3/5? Isn't it also worth considering - I read very positive user opinions (not only newbies, but also experienced photographers wrote good things about it)
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but i have seen very good pictures from the finepix' and 12 Mpixel is a word :)
and what would you say about Olympus C-750 Ultra Zoom as an
alternative for G3/5? Isn't it also worth considering - I read very
positive user opinions (not only newbies, but also experienced
photographers wrote good things about it)
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Mike--I've heard you before saying a newer model is coming out soon, and I wonder what you base that on. What is the normal span between models for Canon? Why do you assume it will be a substantial improvement when Canon's record has been to make incremental improvements?

The Fuji 602 was my choice for an upgrade before I discovered the G3. I liked it quite a bit but I decided to wait for a model with higher resolution since I was not in a hurry. Then they announce one with an XD card and similar resolution. I refuse to buy new memory and am committed to my two Microdrives. I'll buy a 512 flash card when I eventually upgrade as a supplement to the MDs. I will not change formats.

With the huge zoom, I'd have to use a tripod which I prefer to leave in the trunk.

Even now I am not in a hurry and will in any event wait until late September before I buy. I'm more than satisfied with what I see in the G5, but I'd hate to buy it and have a new model in a matter of weeks. I realize there will always be a newer model down the road, but because of advanced age, I have to buy soon or forget it.

I can wait even beyond September since I have an excellent camera now. It's 3 meg so there would be no point in buying a G3. Right now, it's G5 or nothing unless there is a G6 soon. Berge
The G5 is merely an interim model until Canon releases their next
major upgrade, which I believe will be released within the next 2
months. I think it's premature to write off Canon or to look at the
G5 as THE Canon camera for 2003.
 
Mike--I've heard you before saying a newer model is coming out
soon, and I wonder what you base that on. What is the normal span
between models for Canon? Why do you assume it will be a
substantial improvement when Canon's record has been to make
incremental improvements?
Canon usually releases one G model (G1, G2, G3) in Fall and one makeover G model in Summer (G2 black, G5)
The Fuji 602 was my choice for an upgrade before I discovered the
G3. I liked it quite a bit but I decided to wait for a model with
higher resolution since I was not in a hurry. Then they announce
one with an XD card and similar resolution. I refuse to buy new
memory and am committed to my two Microdrives. I'll buy a 512
flash card when I eventually upgrade as a supplement to the MDs. I
will not change formats.

With the huge zoom, I'd have to use a tripod which I prefer to
leave in the trunk.

Even now I am not in a hurry and will in any event wait until late
September before I buy. I'm more than satisfied with what I see
in the G5, but I'd hate to buy it and have a new model in a matter
of weeks. I realize there will always be a newer model down the
road, but because of advanced age, I have to buy soon or forget it.

I can wait even beyond September since I have an excellent camera
now. It's 3 meg so there would be no point in buying a G3. Right
now, it's G5 or nothing unless there is a G6 soon. Berge
The G5 is merely an interim model until Canon releases their next
major upgrade, which I believe will be released within the next 2
months. I think it's premature to write off Canon or to look at the
G5 as THE Canon camera for 2003.
 
I have a G2 and of course am thinking about upgrading all the time
to get a better camera ....

G3 and G5 were quickly ruled out. Now i see the s7000 release and
it looks like the price is very similar to the G5 but the s7000
seems to be a lot better, also doent seem to be too much bigger...

The s7000 as a better alternative? opinons?
Be very careful. It's easy to salivate about new cameras when you
read company press releases and previews. You'll never hear about
any bad things about a new camera until it actually comes out. The
S7000 is due out in October - who knows what canon will have by
then?
And to make things more interesting Sony and Minolta are supposed to
announce new cameras soon , most likely 8mp and available shortly after
announcement , i think we gonna have quite a fun time ahead.
Yeah let's just wait for some mega excitement this year.
I predict wars on the scale never seen before:)

macco.
 
I have a G2 and of course am thinking about upgrading all the time
to get a better camera ....

G3 and G5 were quickly ruled out. Now i see the s7000 release and
it looks like the price is very similar to the G5 but the s7000
seems to be a lot better, also doent seem to be too much bigger...

The s7000 as a better alternative? opinons?
Be very careful. It's easy to salivate about new cameras when you
read company press releases and previews. You'll never hear about
any bad things about a new camera until it actually comes out. The
S7000 is due out in October - who knows what canon will have by
then?
More zoom hopefully. Canon already has models with 5mp and 4x zoom. Maybe they can put out a model with 5-6x zoom. Don't they already make a 10x zoom lense for Panasonic? I'd like 10x but 6x is an OK compromise.
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I made a mistake in my previous post. I have learned that the S7000 does accept Microdrives. I also neglected to state another objection I had to the S600. The EVF was not clear enough for me. Everything looked out of focus. I blame my eyes, not the viewfinder. I can buy a different camera; I can't change my eyes. Berge
 
Since we are all speculating...I think that canon has made a strategic decision to NOT come out with new equipment that beats the ever growing competition.

Why do I say that?

Well, today they have the best lineup of products and are making money. They are thinking why do we need to invest alot more when we are doing so well now.

Other companies have made the decision to catchup and beat Canon and we are seeing their product announcements almost weekly.

We are not seeing canon responding with new innovations that are far ahead of the competition's announcements.

Obviously, if my speculation is true canon will become a second tier digital camera company.

I have seen no product announcements, forward leading statements like other companies have made recently that shows that canon understands the what the competition is now doing and what canon needs to do to stay on top.
The G5 is merely an interim model until Canon releases their next
major upgrade, which I believe will be released within the next 2
months. I think it's premature to write off Canon or to look at the
G5 as THE Canon camera for 2003.

The Fuji certainly sounds interesting, and its resolution does seem
quite amazing. But as has been pointed out time and time again, you
should not base your camera selection on price and megapixels.
There is a lot more to consider.

For starters, the Fuji has an f2.8 lens. For anyone who frequently
struggles to capture natural light photos in dimly lit situations,
f2.8 is hardly what could be considered a fast lens. To be fair, at
telephoto, the Fuji maintains a very respectable f3.1 max aperture.

If telephoto is a high priority, this is certainly a camera worth
looking into, but if you shoot a large percentage of the time at
normal zoom and in low light, this is not the best choice of camera.

On a related note, The Fuji's long zoom lens requires an electronic
viewfinder. The lack of an optical viewfinder can be an annoying
limitation, as EVFs generally produce a very small, very dim image
which is unsuitable in low light or for tracking moving subjects. I
imagine that using this camera's highest focal length settings will
be a significant challenge unless you're using a very sturdy tripod
and aiming at a relatively motionless subject.

One inexplicable fault: no AF assist lamp. Combined witht he
slowlens and lack of a bright optical viewfinder, this camera seems
way out of place in low light - period.

I AM very curious to hear more about the "twin AF" system. If
they've developed anything to improve the poor autofocus
performance common with all non-SLR digital cameras, that would
certainly be noteworthy. But again, with a slow lens and no AF
assist lamp, it seems to me that AF will continue to be problematic
in low light.

Another unfortunate ommisssion, the Fuji lacks an articulated LCD
viewfinder, one of the more popular features in digital cameras
today.
I have a G2 and of course am thinking about upgrading all the time
to get a better camera ....

G3 and G5 were quickly ruled out. Now i see the s7000 release and
it looks like the price is very similar to the G5 but the s7000
seems to be a lot better, also doent seem to be too much bigger...

The s7000 as a better alternative? opinons?

Matt
 
I hope im wrong, id like to see canon having a good competition. limited movie capability isnt an impossible thing to do and canon should be able to do it too.

Im also wondering if it can use regular CFs too and not just microdrives. Id hate to invest on XDs.
yeah its 30fps but its limited to 26seconds or 13secs.
are you sure? the predecessor of the s7000 (the s602 Z) could shoot
unlimited 640x480 30fps movies (see dprview review) - I thought
this feature was maintained in the new model too...
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