A Bit Disappointed with the G5X

Jim wrote:

boogisha wrote:

Jim wrote:

boogisha wrote:

Jim wrote:

I don't think that the sensor is at issue with the G5X as outlined by the OP; it's the lens that's the problem.

I was talking about sensor/lens as a combo that works together, providing the image you get in the end. We shouldn`t discuss them apart as we are not shooting them apart.

Sure you can. That's like saying you shouldn't discuss an engine and transmission separately in a car because you use them both together. It doesn't work that way. The lens and sensor are separate components that have their respective characteristics, good or bad, and should be judged accordingly.

Please don`t take things out of context, quoting just one (small) part of my post.

Respectfully and in all honestly, nothing is being taken out of context. The point I was trying to make is straightforward. If the sensor is the same in two manufacturers' cameras and the image quality is different, it's likely that the lens makes that difference. That was my entire point in mentioning that components are worthy of being discussed on their own merits. No offense was intended and I hope none taken.

Of course we can discuss them apart, but the point redsars (OP) made here was that his G12 (meaning lens/sensor combo, not these two apart) produced better images than his G5 X (meaning lens/sensor combo, not these two apart) - which I would like to see examples of, trying to understand the way he used both cameras to form such opinion.

The rest of the post you quoted (the rest you didn`t quote, that is, but I hope you at least read it) explains my thoughts very clearly (and even mentions some possible scenarios), so I`m not really sure I understand the purpose of your reply, in context of this topic, or the question I raised.

We don`t need to judge lenses/sensors separately here, we all know their pros and cons very well (so nothing to really argue about), but it seems the lens/sensor combo comparison is a bit unclear (G12 vs G5 X, in terms of image quality).

Again, with all due respect, I think you`re missing the point here, because the two sensors are nowhere near the same in G12/G5 X (besides lenses being different as well), and topic poster was commenting the end result (RAW image) - which is the product of both lens and sensor combo working together (not being tested apart).

It was taken out of context because I already discussed both sensors and lenses in the rest of that post (separately), stating the obvious we all know - and we all can agree upon, I`d say.

No offense taken, of course, don`t worry, I see this as a positive exchange of opinions. I`m sorry if I sounded harsh in my reply, that was not my intention.

But I still stand by my point - what you`re saying is absolutely true - but in general, where we can discuss lens/sensor performance separately - and I think there`s no need for that here, as we would probably all agree, thus no point discussing it.

But it is not true in this specific topic context (and what I was discussing about in the post you quoted), where original remarks were made upon observing the RAW images, coming out as a product of a different sensor / different lens combination of two different cameras - so each camera lens/sensor combo should be observed together in this case (as it`s what produced RAW files in question), as it was left unclear which combo/camera is better (unless it was implied that G12 is better) - and even more important, for which specific needs