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Kaziklu said:
"...Why would I sell perfectly good gear that I'm still using.. at a loss and put more money in.. just to buy the same gear in another brand."
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I think this about sums up my thoughts as well upon examining the market value of what I have. I wouldn't get ahead at all, and would probably end up with less than what I have now. I guess I'll ride this ship to the bottom and maybe grab some other equipment on the way down.
 
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The thing is that in 1 year or so, your gear will cost less than "-20%". This 20% is true for CaNikSony, but not for a dead system.

They say that your camera will work for a many years. And they're right, it will. But how about service? How about buying something new? There will be no new lenses, no new flashes, no accessories from 3rd party vendors. Even now it's not that simple to make NX camera work with, say Yongnuo syncs.

Sure, one shall not consider camera as "investment", but any camera or lens has it's price, and, for example, I sell my old camera to buy new one, and usually it is over 50% of new camera's value.

I don't know how the things go in US or Europe, but in my country it's pretty hard to sell NX gear, especially expensive one. And things will go even worse in a year.

I decided to sell NX gear and don't regret about that. Sure, it was great to use, but I need some confidence in future of the system.
 
Personally, I have decided to shrink my gear and will try to sell all my Samsung gear, keeping only my Canon 6D for portraits and telephoto work and my LX 100 as my small/carry anywhere camera.

I have hesitated to keep my nx30 + lenses but that would mean putting everything in the trash bin when the NX 30 goes dead and I prefer to get a few euros back now.
 
Perhaps the question is: if you sold now, what would.you buy instead? If you have another camera system in mind, then sell. If, on the other hand, the NX cameras have everything you need right now, then you might as well keep it....
 
Samsung have not actually said they are abandoning cameras have they? They have just said they are withdrawing from certain markets. Possibly the fact they have said nothing may mean that is the case. The big build up to an announcement at CES was rumour based from what I can see so I not sure if CES has actually any real significance here at all.

The big problem with Samsung is they are completely insensitive to user perceptions so possibly things have not changed at all and everything is still in the air. I suspect Samsung themselves do not know what the future of NX is.
lol101 said:
Personally, I have decided to shrink my gear and will try to sell all my Samsung gear, keeping only my Canon 6D for portraits and telephoto work and my LX 100 as my small/carry anywhere camera.

I have hesitated to keep my nx30 + lenses but that would mean putting everything in the trash bin when the NX 30 goes dead and I prefer to get a few euros back now.
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For my NX1000, 20-50, 30mm, 45mm 3D, 50-200mm, sef42a and various other dumb adapters I paid in total ~865e. I could sell NX1000 kit for 150e (in not sure if I want to, I just like it so much) making "investment" ~715e. With new nx500 it would be 1300e. I could sell it all for ~600-700e depending on the effort (and throwing in a legacy lens perhaps - I have plenty).

In E mount I would buy a6000 kit, 35, 50 and 50-210 and it would cost me 1450e total (here) and I'm still a TTL flash and adapters short. It would bring it to at least 1600e. That's additional 900e if I sell everything NX for 700e. I lose 4k, resolution and some IQ as well as compact package with prime. But gain ok evf.

In m43 with gx7 it would cost me almost exactly the same (again, local prices) ~1600e. With gx8 it's out of the question. Even with G7 it's ~1800e. So, between 900 and 1100e added cost. Ugh. I gain quite bad evf but lose IQ, resolution, 4k.

I already have two DSLRs that I use almost never as I have to remember to pack them and I have to carry a largeish bag for D300 with just 50/1.4 and 18-200mm. Canon 600D has a fully articulated screen and that's about it. I don't see myself buying another big camera (including NX1, D500, maybe even gx8 it's actually quite big and heavy). NX1000 lives in my jacket pocket. In a small bag (around 6x21x16cm) I can fit nx1000, 30,45,20-50,50-200 and sef42a - incredible.

TLDR I'll probably buy NX500 when it's 400e second hand in good condition locally or cheaper imported (taxes, oh taxes). This should have me covered for another 5 years.
 
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Greynerd said:
Samsung have not actually said they are abandoning cameras have they? They have just said they are withdrawing from certain markets. Possibly the fact they have said nothing may mean that is the case.
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Oh come on :D
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But the group dynamics are always a swing from wild optimism to wild pessimism and there have been so many trade shows where everyone convinces themselves there is going to be a statement from Samsung which invariably never occurs.

I certainly would not think it a good idea to buy in to NX now without being prepared for a heavy write off of their kit assets but as to what existing users should do I do not know and I am not sure CES changes anything.
 
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Greynerd said:
But the group dynamics are always a swing from wild optimism to wild pessimism and there have been so many trade shows where everyone convinces themselves there is going to be a statement from Samsung which invariably never occurs.

I certainly would not think it a good idea to buy in to NX now without being prepared for a heavy write off of their kit assets but as to what existing users should do I do not know and I am not sure CES changes anything.
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I agree. But the facts are: Samsung quit some big markets and many "average" markets with post-announce or even without it. Feels like a retreat. There were no new lenses or announces or rumors for a long time. More than a year I guess. While other brands released a few and continue to patent more. There were no rumours or announces of a new cameras for a year now. One could expect for NX50, but still no rumors. Compare it to Sony's A6100/A7000, Fuji X-Pro2, etc.

Now, taking all of that in mind, what do you expect from NX in near future? What will be a logical next step? I guess no one will say "new announce, world domination".
 
Samsung have not actually said they are abandoning cameras have they? They have just said they are withdrawing from certain markets. Possibly the fact they have said nothing may mean that is the case. The big build up to an announcement at CES was rumour based from what I can see so I not sure if CES has actually any real significance here at all. The big problem with Samsung is they are completely insensitive to user perceptions so possibly things have not changed at all and everything is still in the air. I suspect Samsung themselves do not know what the future of NX is. [QUOTE="Member said:
lol101, post: 57042511"]
Personally, I have decided to shrink my gear and will try to sell all my Samsung gear, keeping only my Canon 6D for portraits and telephoto work and my LX 100 as my small/carry anywhere camera.

I have hesitated to keep my nx30 + lenses but that would mean putting everything in the trash bin when the NX 30 goes dead and I prefer to get a few euros back now.
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It was already difficult enough to get Samsung gear when I had to buy online from Germany but now that they have withdraw from there also... I have no more options.

To me, it makes no difference if Samsung keeps on making cameras or not since they will not be available on my side of the world.

Plus I am now 100% convinced that NX is dead but of course, there is no "official" announcement... just a deafening silence.

On the whole, I think I'm just done with Samsung cameras... in the end it's a personnel choice based on incomplete data... pretty much like anything else in life :-)
 
A6100 rumours spring up like daffodils in spring only to die back. I think with the philosophy that if you cannot buy it at this moment in time it does not exist and never will is the only way to go in mirrorless.

The state of Sony aps-c is very similar to Samsung so this is very much climbing out of the frying pan in to the fire.
mg_k said:
Not sure if you guys have seen/read this?

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr3-first-sony-a6100-specs/

If this turns out to be true it will be the most logical transition for NX users.
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Casio have withdrawn completely to the Far East in their camera business and are doing very well. Possibly the Casio forum is a model for the Samsung forum in the future if they do carry on. Probably the ILC side cannot really continue sourced externally grey market only and Samsung just have been a total fail on communications from start to finish. Any communication with the outside world not part of some glossy pre-arrange spin looks like it was written by their lawyers.

It will be interesting to see if this forum drifts back to high end compacts which Samsung may continue to chuck out occasionally sourced over here with eBay.
lol101 said:
Samsung have not actually said they are abandoning cameras have they? They have just said they are withdrawing from certain markets. Possibly the fact they have said nothing may mean that is the case. The big build up to an announcement at CES was rumour based from what I can see so I not sure if CES has actually any real significance here at all. The big problem with Samsung is they are completely insensitive to user perceptions so possibly things have not changed at all and everything is still in the air. I suspect Samsung themselves do not know what the future of NX is. [QUOTE="lol101 said:
lol101, post: 57042651, member: 403509"]
Personally, I have decided to shrink my gear and will try to sell all my Samsung gear, keeping only my Canon 6D for portraits and telephoto work and my LX 100 as my small/carry anywhere camera.

I have hesitated to keep my nx30 + lenses but that would mean putting everything in the trash bin when the NX 30 goes dead and I prefer to get a few euros back now.
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It was already difficult enough to get Samsung gear when I had to buy online from Germany but now that they have withdraw from there also... I have no more options.

To me, it makes no difference if Samsung keeps on making cameras or not since they will not be available on my side of the world.

Plus I am now 100% convinced that NX is dead but of course, there is no "official" announcement... just a deafening silence.

On the whole, I think I'm just done with Samsung cameras... in the end it's a personnel choice based on incomplete data... pretty much like anything else in life :-)
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I've decided to continue using my current NX gear until it dies and then see reassess when that time comes. I've just added the 50-150S to my collection 2 weeks ago so I'm pretty much set for a while unless I decide to dabble in macro. My gear is not the limiting factor when it comes to taking great pictures right now so I don't personally see a need to consider other systems at this stage.

Which other system is comparable? I can't think of one tbh. Yes, other systems have a brighter future, but which of their current offerings are comparable and are you willing to invest in that system with the hope that something comparable will be available in the future? A future that may not arrive. Even if you are considering other systems, you'll have the same dilemma as 2-3 months ago. In my eyes, CES didn't really change that.

Oh yeh, if I learnt anything from CES, it's that a lack of rumour doesn't equal a lack of activity or work behind the scenes. Just look at how Nikon managed to sneak the D500 past everyone.
 
TillmanB said:
My initial reaction is to sell off my gear and reinvest in another system, but maybe that's overreacting? What are the rest of you in a similar situation doing (that situation being not heavily invested in the system).
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I kinda got out of NX a while ago - still have the 1000 with a 30, 45 and 20/50 - and went Sony. In all honesty, I think NEX (I prefer to call them NEX, Sony marketing be damned) is better at almost everything I do; easy since I don't do video and seldom crop: the one thing that keeps my NX going is hiking where weight and size is at an extreme premium. I am considering picking up another P&S-style NX body (used 300 or 2000/3000, perhaps) to keep my 30 going when the 1000 eventually dies on me. The problem is that Sony seems mighty uninterested in doing any more crop glass, and the 3rd parties are currently all in on the FF stuff too.

Fuji... well, I've tried it and the glass is marvelous. But I've never been a friend of the xtrans rendering. And no, I'm not willing to make any changes in my image workflow. I have the programs I want and like and they make xtrans look bad. That Fuji hasn't managed to fix this or lean on Adobe to do so after all these years speaks volumes about their fundamental disinterest. Canon M? Surely you jest. Nikon 1? Alright, now I know you jest. A7? No. They are marvels of miniaturization, but I am not willing to pay they wight and size penalty of the 135 format. Might as well go DSLR in that case.

I've been considering m43. Frankly, the flicker page Kommissanto posted in the thread above satisfies me that the IQ is more than there already. But now that they're finally delivering really good long glass, what with the Oly 300/4 and the Panny 200-400, I can't help but to notice that one of the main selling points of that system, lens compatibility, is being fritted away as the two main manufacturers are taking IS in different directions...
 
SpacemanUA said:
The thing is that in 1 year or so, your gear will cost less than "-20%". This 20% is true for CaNikSony, but not for a dead system.

They say that your camera will work for a many years. And they're right, it will. But how about service? How about buying something new? There will be no new lenses, no new flashes, no accessories from 3rd party vendors. Even now it's not that simple to make NX camera work with, say Yongnuo syncs.

Sure, one shall not consider camera as "investment", but any camera or lens has it's price, and, for example, I sell my old camera to buy new one, and usually it is over 50% of new camera's value.

I don't know how the things go in US or Europe, but in my country it's pretty hard to sell NX gear, especially expensive one. And things will go even worse in a year.

I decided to sell NX gear and don't regret about that. Sure, it was great to use, but I need some confidence in future of the system.
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What are you selling? I could be buying. Low of course though, since you know, dead system and all. :P
 
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