Ex D300 shooter who is not a troll

nearly-an-old-codger · Dec 25, 2015

It has recently been suggested to me buy a few people on this forum that I should not post here as 'I'm trolling'.

I agree I am not a current Pro DX shooter but I've earned my place here from a long relationship. Way before many of the vocal newcomers. I would buy into a new Nikon Pro DX in a heart beat. To my mind i've been forced away from Nikon and I really resent that Nikon do not provide a camera for my needs. I've had to settle for Canon right now.

I am entitled to post here from my long relationship with Nikon Pro DX. Tough on those that think otherwise.

The above are D300 shots which were taken in 2009! Recently processed from RAW in DXO 10. Shows why RAW is better because the process for conversion gets better year on year.

Also shows what can be achieved with "old" kit. Although in many cases newer is better! Another reason Nikon need a new pro DX line.

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n057 · Dec 25, 2015

flbrit said:
It has recently been suggested to me buy a few people on this forum that I should not post here as 'I'm trolling'.

I agree I am not a current Pro DX shooter but I've earned my place here from a long relationship. Way before many of the vocal newcomers. I would buy into a new Nikon Pro DX in a heart beat. To my mind i've been forced away from Nikon and I really resent that Nikon do not provide a camera for my needs. I've had to settle for Canon right now.

I am entitled to post here from my long relationship with Nikon Pro DX. Tough on those that think otherwise.

The above are D300 shots which were taken in 2009! Recently processed from RAW in DXO 10. Shows why RAW is better because the process for conversion gets better year on year.

Also shows what can be achieved with "old" kit. Although in many cases newer is better! Another reason Nikon need a new pro DX line.

Tony Beach · Dec 26, 2015

My feeling about the way DPR separated the cameras into different forums is that they did it the wrong way. Over on the Canon side the 70D and 7DII share one forum in the middle between the entry level DSLRs (triple digit Canons) and the more advanced Canons (single digit Canons -- BTW, the 7D and 7DII are obviously also single digit Canons, but DPR clearly has its own bias against the smaller format); here on the Nikon side things are even worse with the D100-D300 isolated into a sort of ghetto forum. DPR should put the D7000 series cameras into this forum, and I believe they are as much pro cameras as the D600, D610, and D750 which all reside in the same forum as the D1-D2 cameras (which makes calling that forum FX a malapropism).

The photos you posted are really nice, and of course are "allowed" here. You make a very good point about shooting Raw and being able to revisit the photos later. I would also add that being able to use different Raw converters also gives us more options on the day the photo is taken (I use Capture One mostly, but sometimes prefer the look I get from NX-D).

I see you are shooting with the Canon 7D Mark II and the Canon EF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6L II. The recent price drops on the 7DII has me looking at that combination for telephoto work. From what I've seen it looks like a real winner. How are you getting along with the 7DII, and especially with that lens on it?

Canadianguy · Dec 26, 2015

Nice images but not seeing how a "Pro DX camera" is going to fulfil your needs if these images show your requirements for one. Any one of the current crop of DX cameras would be able to fulfil your needs if this is what you like to shoot.

But I am not saying there isn't a niche for a "Pro DX camera" - I just don't believe there are enough people left that are willing to pay "Pro prices" for a "Pro DX camera"

The latest rumours has a "Pro DX camera" at 2300 USD. My prediction if the rumours are true, lots of moaning and groaning on forums about the price and lots and lots of people will be circling like vultures for it to hit the bargain bin at 1099-1299 USD but few will pay the full pop.

flbrit said:
It has recently been suggested to me buy a few people on this forum that I should not post here as 'I'm trolling'.

I agree I am not a current Pro DX shooter but I've earned my place here from a long relationship. Way before many of the vocal newcomers. I would buy into a new Nikon Pro DX in a heart beat. To my mind i've been forced away from Nikon and I really resent that Nikon do not provide a camera for my needs. I've had to settle for Canon right now.

I am entitled to post here from my long relationship with Nikon Pro DX. Tough on those that think otherwise.

The above are D300 shots which were taken in 2009! Recently processed from RAW in DXO 10. Shows why RAW is better because the process for conversion gets better year on year.

Also shows what can be achieved with "old" kit. Although in many cases newer is better! Another reason Nikon need a new pro DX line.

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Brian

Tony Beach · Dec 26, 2015

Canadianguy said:
Nice images but not seeing how a "Pro DX camera" is going to fulfil your needs if these images show your requirements for one. Any one of the current crop of DX cameras would be able to fulfill your needs if this is what you like to shoot.

There's nothing on the specifications sheet about how a camera feels in your hand, plus you don't actually know if the composition wasn't accomplished at higher fps using the full frame of the camera (versus 7 fps using 1.3x crop of the D7200).

Canadianguy said:
But I am not saying there isn't a niche for a "Pro DX camera" - I just don't believe there are enough people left that are willing to pay "Pro prices" for a "Pro DX camera"

Yes, you've made a point of posting a variation of that comment more than once recently in this forum. I will again respond to that and point out that there are people out there, the OP here is one of them, I'm one of them, and I bet a lot of naysayers too (probably not you), who will get a D400 if the specifications and price are right.

Canadianguy said:
The latest rumours has a "Pro DX camera" at 2300 USD.

I strongly doubt that. Thom Hogan wrote that Nikon should consider a D2X style body for a D400, and he put the probable price for that bigger body at about that much.

Canadianguy said:
My prediction if the rumours are true, lots of moaning and groaning on forums about the price and lots and lots of people will be circling like vultures for it to hit the bargain bin at 1099-1299 USD but few will pay the full pop.

I'm sure if Nikon does a D400 that it will be the same as Canon's 7DII. They'll start it at about $1800, sell a bunch of them to early adopters, then over the course of a year the price will drop (as it does with practically every camera), but whatever the price drops to, it will be a higher price than a D7200 or D7300 and Nikon will make more money off of each one they sell than they do off of the D7000 series cameras. Right now Nikon still has the D7100 in stock, and it's going on three years since that camera was announced, they sell new for under $700 -- so it's not like the D7000 series has been a raging success for Nikon.

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n057 · Dec 26, 2015

Canadianguy said:
Nice images but not seeing how a "Pro DX camera" is going to fulfil your needs if these images show your requirements for one. Any one of the current crop of DX cameras would be able to fulfil your needs if this is what you like to shoot.

But I am not saying there isn't a niche for a "Pro DX camera" - I just don't believe there are enough people left that are willing to pay "Pro prices" for a "Pro DX camera"

The latest rumours has a "Pro DX camera" at 2300 USD. My prediction if the rumours are true, lots of moaning and groaning on forums about the price and lots and lots of people will be circling like vultures for it to hit the bargain bin at 1099-1299 USD but few will pay the full pop.

The question is not who would not pay, the question is will YOU pay, full pop or even at the bargain bin price. Probably not, unless you like niches.

I am one of the few that will, just as I paid the full pop for the Coolpix 995 and later for my first D200. And those were not USD, I bore the full brunt of conversion to Canadian.

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fishy wishy · Dec 26, 2015

flbrit said:
It has recently been suggested to me buy a few people on this forum that I should not post here as 'I'm trolling'.

Attention-seeking idea for a thread, isn't it? Never mind English errors.

nearly-an-old-codger said:
I agree I am not a current Pro DX shooter but I've earned my place here from a long relationship. Way before many of the vocal newcomers. I would buy into a new Nikon Pro DX in a heart beat. To my mind i've been forced away from Nikon and I really resent that Nikon do not provide a camera for my needs. I've had to settle for Canon right now.

nearly-an-old-codger said:
I am entitled to post here from my long relationship with Nikon Pro DX. Tough on those that think otherwise.

I was not even aware you existed. Who has been stirring you up, then?

nearly-an-old-codger said:
The above are D300 shots which were taken in 2009! Recently processed from RAW in DXO 10. Shows why RAW is better because the process for conversion gets better year on year.

Also shows what can be achieved with "old" kit. Although in many cases newer is better! Another reason Nikon need a new pro DX line.

But I don't think Nikon need hurry a pro-DX camera to take night shots ideally done with a wideangle. I would prefer FX for that. DX to me is about telephoto. And if it were about a smaller form-factor, I think I would go for m4/3

n057 · Dec 26, 2015

fishy wishy said:
But I don't think Nikon need hurry a pro-DX camera to take night shots ideally done with a wideangle. I would prefer FX for that. DX to me is about telephoto. And if it were about a smaller form-factor, I think I would go for m4/3

I believe the OP. He is legit. Way back when, flbrit hesitated between a D80 and a D200, settled on the D200 .

The fact that he used his D300 for the images he posted shows how versatile DX is, even if you shoot mostly telephoto you can use it for wide angle. It is OK to use DX even for wide-angle.

I have a 17-55, a 18-70, a 70-200,a 70-300, and an odd assortment of different zooms and older lenses. For that I use two D200 bodies, If I need to shoot something wider, I will get any available wider angle lens - but I will not get an FX body.

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nearly-an-old-codger · Dec 27, 2015

n057 said:
Way back when, flbrit hesitated between a D80 and a D200, settled on the D200 .

Good Find :-D

Here is one of my first shots from said D200 and Tokina

I sold that camera a ways back to a good friend. It is still going strong.
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nearly-an-old-codger · Dec 27, 2015

Tony Beach said:
I see you are shooting with the Canon 7D Mark II and the Canon EF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6L II. The recent price drops on the 7DII has me looking at that combination for telephoto work. From what I've seen it looks like a real winner. How are you getting along with the 7DII, and especially with that lens on it?

Tony Beach · Dec 27, 2015

flbrit said:
nearly-an-old-codger said:

I see you are shooting with the Canon 7D Mark II and the Canon EF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6L II. The recent price drops on the 7DII has me looking at that combination for telephoto work. From what I've seen it looks like a real winner. How are you getting along with the 7DII, and especially with that lens on it?

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The lens seem to be sharper than my Nikon 80-400 Mk2 and the Camera is lightning fast with that lens.

The lens does look impressive, as does the camera.

nearly-an-old-codger said:
The Canon haptics take a little getting used to apart from one area. The 'banks' are set and will not change unless you decide to overwrite them. This was one gripe I had about D200 D300 D700 and D800e cameras. Nikon really should do something about on the fly changes resetting the banks.

Yeah, that's a gripe of mine too, and it has bitten me more than once.

nearly-an-old-codger said:
I've had to spend a bit of time adjusting the Canon colors to my 'Nikon' weaned taste. They are not better or worse, just different.

I would expect Capture One to even things out here. When I was shooting with the Sony A850 I was getting pretty much the same look I got with my D300 and the D200 before it, and that look hasn't changed with the D800. When I use NX-D to do a conversion though, then I see lots of differences between cameras (not so much between the D300 and D800), but NX-D is not an option for a 7DII, although I would check out Canon's Raw converter for something different than Capture One (same as I do with NX-D and my Nikon cameras).

nearly-an-old-codger said:
Now that I'm currently shooting two systems, I really do miss the Pro DX FF setup I had with the D300/D700 and then the D800e. I'm getting older by the day and brain hand coordination between systems sometimes miss fires. More so than when I had two similar bodies and the the same lens set.

This is definitely an issue. I prefer to stick with one UI, which is part of the reason I want a D400. I was revisiting mirror slap differences between my D300 and D800 last night, and I was momentarily baffled by the differences in Live View implementation (the D800 is vastly better). Still, if I lose that compatibility then that Canon combo looks even better than anything Nikon has to offer in that price range.

If Nikon does come out with a D400, then I not only would eventually buy it, but I would also likely go for the Nikkor 200-500; if not, then Nikon loses both a camera and a lens sale, and moves me one step closer to maybe going completely Canon one day (that's a ways off since I expect to be shooting with the D800 for the next few years). The 7DII is a bigger hurdle than a D400 would be for me though, because I would have to get that lens to go with it, and a 70-200/2.8 would be an especially tough choice because I don't see owning one for the 7DII and one for my D800.

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nearly-an-old-codger · Dec 27, 2015

Tony Beach said:
I would expect Capture One to even things out here.

I do have capture one and really loved NX. I guess I'll have to spend more time getting into C1

Tony Beach said:
but I would also likely go for the Nikkor 200-500;

I considered buying the 200-500 Nikon and a D7200 but the price and weight difference was almost a wash and I did not get a "pro' body.

Tony Beach said:
if not, then Nikon loses both a camera and a lens sale,

Well that is what many here cannot understand and is driving most of the the discussion about the current situation. If Nikon had a 'pro' DX body, it would have been a strong link back to my 'natural' brand.

Tony Beach said:
and moves me one step closer to maybe going completely Canon one day (that's a ways off since I expect to be shooting with the D800 for the next few years). The 7DII is a bigger hurdle than a D400 would be for me though, because I would have to get that lens to go with it, and a 70-200/2.8 would be an especially tough choice because I don't see owning one for the 7DII and one for my D800.

I considered going 100% Canon but that would have not delivered the advantages of Sony Mirrorless of IBIS and EVF. (that coupled with my waning interest, at the time, in BIF)

The Sony A7RII seemed more attractive than my current DSLR kit especially for landscape work.

The new Sony sensor together with IBIS is really great. Especially with non VR primes. Also, with the EVF, you should not underestimate shooting in 'crop' mode but with a full viewfinder view of the image.

I'm still not sure I made the right choice about leaving Nikon but one lives with where one is!

The Nikon 70-200 2.8 MkII is the one lens I miss the most.

Tony Beach · Dec 27, 2015

flbrit said:
nearly-an-old-codger said:

but I would also likely go for the Nikkor 200-500;

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I considered buying the 200-500 Nikon and a D7200 but the price and weight difference was almost a wash and I did not get a "pro' body.

A well place AF-ON button is important to me. The extra fps is definitely appealing, and the AF system on the 7DII looks to be top notch. Then there is a question of performance across the zoom range, particularly at the widest apertures. Finally, I want good reach performance, so comparative resolution at the longest focal length from a cropped portion of the center of the image circle. Adding all that together, the Canon combo seems like it wins, possibly even compared to a D400 sporting comparable fps.

nearly-an-old-codger said:
nearly-an-old-codger said:

if not, then Nikon loses both a camera and a lens sale,

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Well that is what many here cannot understand and is driving most of the the discussion about the current situation. If Nikon had a 'pro' DX body, it would have been a strong link back to my 'natural' brand.

Brand loyalty is a priceless commodity. For me loyalty is earned and not assumed, which is something Nikon and some of the Nikon fanboys don't get.

nearly-an-old-codger said:
The Nikon 70-200 2.8 MkII is the one lens I miss the most.

For my purposes, I will be happy with the original version. Even if money wasn't an issue, having two 70-200 lenses to cart around would be an issue.

Kris in CT · Dec 27, 2015

I struggled with colors too when I switched to Canon. Not sure if you use lightroom, but if switch to "Camera standard" (or any of the "camera" settings) from RGB it really helps with colors and contrast. I was comparing the 7dm2 to my 1d4 one day and couldn't figure out why the colors on the 7dm2 looked so washed out and someone on DPreview was kind enough to point that out.

Kris in CT · Dec 27, 2015

Tony Beach said:
Brand loyalty is a priceless commodity. For me loyalty is earned and not assumed, which is something Nikon and some of the Nikon fanboys don't get.

I could not agree more with that statement. I still wish Nikon would release a D400 at this point even though I'm all Canon now. Nikon lost my loyalty with the D7200.. I was somewhat of a fanboy and never saw myself switching. When it got to the point I could afford a 500 F4 I asked myself if I wanted to be stuck with a 5/6 FPS camera or if a slight drop off in IQ was worth it for the build/speed/af I really needed...

Tony Beach said:
For my purposes, I will be happy with the original version. Even if money wasn't an issue, having two 70-200 lenses to cart around would be an issue.

Depending on what you shoot, Canon makes a pretty sweet 200 F2.8 prime (no IS) but it is very sharp and sometimes you can snag them for 300-400 bucks.. I got one for my close up Hawk lens on my 1D4 a few weeks ago. The light has been horrible, but here is one of my test shots...

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redhed17 · Dec 27, 2015

flbrit said:
The Canon haptics take a little getting used to apart from one area. The 'banks' are set and will not change unless you decide to overwrite them. This was one gripe I had about D200 D300 D700 and D800e cameras. Nikon really should do something about on the fly changes resetting the banks.
I've had to spend a bit of time adjusting the Canon colors to my 'Nikon' weaned taste. They are not better or worse, just different.

You may want to consider getting a Colorchecker Passport, and take some calibrated images so as to get the cameras to match.

nearly-an-old-codger said:
Now that I'm currently shooting two systems, I really do miss the Pro DX FF setup I had with the D300/D700 and then the D800e. I'm getting older by the day and brain hand coordination between systems sometimes miss fires. More so than when I had two similar bodies and the the same lens set.

The cameras that do match, ergonomically, and have had some thought put into it, are the 5DIII/5DS/5DSR and 7DII. ;-)

Tony Beach · Dec 27, 2015

Kris in CT said:
Kris in CT said:

For my purposes, I will be happy with the original version. Even if money wasn't an issue, having two 70-200 lenses to cart around would be an issue.

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Depending on what you shoot, Canon makes a pretty sweet 200 F2.8 prime (no IS) but it is very sharp and sometimes you can snag them for 300-400 bucks..

It's a truly classic focal length. I had a Minolta 200/2.8 and it was far and away my favorite lens for the A850 -- the bokeh and sharpness were always very satisfying.

Kris in CT said:
I got one for my close up Hawk lens on my 1D4 a few weeks ago. The light has been horrible, but here is one of my test shots...

Excellent bokeh, and when space allows it this looks like it would be an excellent portrait lens on the larger format, a bit too tight for that though on a DX/APS-C camera.

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